Their Rule 4:
No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don’t question the statehood of Israel.
Europe@feddit.org removed my comment for de-tangling the conflation of antisemitism and anti-zionism. A dangerous conflation that is genuinely antisemitic and fuels antisemitic hate as it conflates the actions of Israel and Zionism to all Jewish people and Judaism.
This prioritization of the German definition, the adopted IHRA definition, is promoting antisemtitism and is diametrically opposed to the ‘No antisemitism’ aspect of the rule. The definition has been condemned by the writer of the definition, a multitude of human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), B’Tselem, Peace Now, and Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), and over 120 leading scholars of anti-semitism.
Germany Is Trying to Combat Antisemitism. Experts Warn a New Resolution May Do the Opposite
Fifteen Israeli nongovernmental organizations, including the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, B’Tselem and Peace Now, issued an open letter in September stating their concern that the resolution, especially the IHRA definition, could be weaponized to “silence public dissent.”
This could also affect Jewish voices speaking out for Palestinian rights and opposing the occupation, they added. “Paradoxically, the resolution may therefore undermine, not protect, the diversity of Jewish life in Germany,” the letter argued.
Rights groups urge UN not to adopt IHRA anti-Semitism definition
"The IHRA definition has often been used to wrongly label criticism of Israel as antisemitic, and thus chill and sometimes suppress, non-violent protest, activism and speech critical of Israel and/or Zionism, including in the US and Europe,” the letter said.
US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Israeli rights group B’Tselem, and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) were among the signatories
The letter is the latest attempt by human rights advocates to urge the UN not to adopt the IHRA definition. In November, more than 120 scholars called on the world body to reject the definition, due to its “divisive and polarising” effect.
128 scholars ask UN not to adopt IHRA definition of anti-Semitism
In a statement published on Thursday, the 128 scholars, who include leading Jewish academics at Israeli, European, United Kingdom and United States universities, said the definition has been “hijacked” to protect the Israeli government from international criticism
Why the man who drafted the IHRA definition condemns its use
The drafter of what later became popularly known as the EUMC or IHRA definition of antisemitism,including its associated examples, was the U.S. attorney Kenneth S. Stern. However, in written evidence submitted to the US Congress last year, Stern charged that his original definition had been used for an entirely different purpose to that for which it had been designed. According to Stern it had originally been designed as a ”working definition” for the purpose of trying to standardise data collection about the incidence of antisemitic hate crime in different countries. It had never been intended that it be used as legal or regulatory device to curb academic or political free speech. Yet that is how it has now come to be used. In the same document Stern specifically condemns as inappropriate the use of the definition for such purposes, mentioning in particular the curbing of free speech in UK universities, and referencing Manchester and Bristol universities as examples. Here is what he writes:
The EUMC “working definition” was recently adopted in the United Kingdom, and applied to campus. An “Israel Apartheid Week” event was cancelled as violating the definition. A Holocaust survivor was required to change the title of a campus talk, and the university [Manchester] mandated it be recorded, after an Israeli diplomat [ambassador Regev] complained that the title violated the definition.[See here]. Perhaps most egregious, an off-campus group citing the definition called on a university to conduct an inquiry of a professor (who received her PhD from Columbia) for antisemitism, based on an article she had written years before. The university [Bristol] then conducted the inquiry. And while it ultimately found no basis to discipline the professor, the exercise itself was chilling and McCarthy-like. [square brackets added – GW]
I am on feddit.org. I run a
subredditcommunity dedicated to the Middle East /c/nahost@feddit.org and post mostly the Palestinian perspective. I argue for the rights of Palestinians, against Zionism, against the German instrumentalization of the fight against Antisemitism for repression and the like all the time both in /c/europe@feddit.org and other communities.I never had any problems with the mods or admins and the claim they would be pro-Zionist is absurd.
That’s why I said the problem is the Mods of !europe@feddit.org, or rather an anonymous mod there who is acting out of their own biases for Zionism or against Zionist criticism. It’s not some attempt to stay legal in the eyes of the instance admins there or “gERmAn lAw” it’s personal and unprofessional mod conduct in the community.
This seems like PTB for sure. I do not support what Israel is doing and it is without a doubt a genocide. I’ve had people gaslight me and say I’m antisemitic for believing Palestinians have the right to not be murdered and that Israel as a country probably shouldn’t exist. And you know what. Fuck those people. Fuck people who try to accuse others of being Antisemitic because they disagree and want to shut down your criticism. People like this need to be put in their place and confronted, not yielded to.
that Israel as a country probably shouldn’t exist.
Ok, then please explain what you think would happen with all the Jewish people that were born and live there in such a case?
And please be realistic, because everyone lives happily ever after is an extremely unlikely scenario.
I am not saying that you are antisemitic, but please think these things through before saying stuff that can very well be interpreted as such.
Same as the White South Africans, stay or leave.
I don’t think you’ve thought this through yourself.
I asked to be realistic. That ship has sailed in regards to Israel a long time ago.
Once again South Africa shows how the world can bring down these hate regimes. It’s never too late.
If you’d said Irish rule had sailed a long time ago and consigned us to England, I’d have some words for you.
Not once US support stops 🐸
Kinda like what happened with south afrika
The ANC is not comparable to Hamas or Hezbollah, and these kind of “funny” remarks about how there will be a free for all with Jewish lives “once the US support stops” is exactly why people consider such remarks as antisemitic.
I am sorry that you can’t see a multi cultural Palestinian state as a viable alternative to the genocide Israel
That’s a you problem. That’s what should have happened from the start but the Israeli project was always a genocide exercise. We just now finally got confirmation for it.
Also, the “antisemitism” is such tired bullshit tactic, let it go. Nobody is buying it. Israeli jews are doing a genocide. Get a clue
I don’t even disagree with you, but I find your suggestion to be extremely naive.
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He seems fine. So long as someone isn’t spewing out IDF apologism and bothsiding stuff, they’re allowed.
Makes sense, they seemed iffy.
It’s wild that, as Israel’s genocide becomes more publicly exposed and people/countries are distancing from Israel, Germany is doubling down on their relationship with Israel.
Clearly, de-nazification did not work as intended post WW2.
German people are majority against it/dont care.
Its the government that does it. Plus isreal always plays the “REMEMBER THE NAZIS! YOU KILLED JEWS SO DO AS YOU’RE TOLD”
It was the same with the Jewish population 80 years ago, where it was mainly just the far right extremists and the government that hated Jews. How’d that work out?
Old habits die hard for the Germans it seems. The EU deserves so much better from Germany here.
They learned the wrong lessons. They thought the issue was targeting Jews, and not the genocide part. So now they’ve moved to taking Arab lives, which they believe to be less valuable.
We have the most generous asylum and immigration laws, even just slightly restricting them is a deeply divisive topic in German politics. But sure we hate Arabs in general.
Calling an entire countries population racist is just a dumb statement that shows how little you know
We dont hate arabs. But ca 35% do atleast slightly. And 30% hates everything that isnt white white white white.
Germany would revolt if Döner were only done by Germans. The new Generation of Döner Shop owner is trying to squeez out as much money from it as possible but german döner owners are the worst. Cucumber, mustard, pickles and other things in a Döner
My heart breaks when ever i see it
Well when the far-right leadership were the main ones that hated Jews 80 years ago, it didn’t seem to stop that minority. So I don’t see how ‘not all Germans’ is supposed to be reassuring.
nah, the entire country isn’t racist.
just the people in charge, you bootlicker.
Reading comprehension. I don’t support my governments stance on Israel.
You’re right, I thought I was replying to the other guy. My bad, I should pay better attention.
Our government wants to buy Israels Arrow 3 missile defense to protect against Russia since the Ikraine invasion and because US support is shaky. I can imagine that stops any official statements against Israel, that and the wierd feeling of guild the older generations have (even though they were born after WW2).
Your last line is just moronic though.
Your last line is just moronic though.
Why?
Because Germans are super sensitive about these issues. Hence why they go balls deep for Israel.
They act as if Germany only attempted to exterminate the jews in Eastern Europe so if they just make it right with Israel they will redeem themselves.
Current situation, really putting pressure on that approach.
With that being said, why all this focus on European jews… What about poles and belarusians? Is there some sort of pecking order here that only the jews count as “deserving” victims, the rest go what they deserved?
If Germany stops working with the US and NATO to continually escalate, and stops backing the far-right extremists in Ukraine, they won’t need to buy weapons from Israeli fascists.
For all the people saying it’s the instance trying to cover themselves, No. This is a mod account which is not an admin nor appears to be affiliated with the Admins. This is very clearly a person trying to frame criticism of Zionism as antisemitic to attempt to suppress criticism of Israel and their actions. PTB.
Nice catch. So this sounds like the same story as lemmy.world and Luigi. Idiot “mod” doing content censorship due to its own political bias…
“which does not an admin”
Words hard, apparently.
The fact that some people are attacking typos and grammar instead of trying to argue with me on my merit means I’m on the right track.
in vidiya games, if you are seeing npcs… it means you are going the right way ;)
ohh we also got grammer nazis coming out of the woods now too haha
u got him, champ!
The mods and the admins are roughly affiliated though. A lot of us community mods are in the same matrix chat groups as the admins.
Note: I am not a Europe mod. I mod other groups on feddit.org though
I disagree. I see political comments from two of the mods all the time and they don’t take pro Zionist stances. One of the mods regularly bans people from slrpnk.net for being Zionists.
PTB, This reeks of pro-Zionist bias from the mods and blatant attempts to censor criticism of Israel.
Let’s remember. Judaism is a religious minority comprising many different people with many different views. Zionism is a political nationalist movement supported by specific people. They are not the same thing. For one, it is not supported by all Jewish people, nor are all of its supporters even Jewish. So if someone tells you that you’re being Antisemitic for criticizing Zionism or Israel, tell them to fuck off. It’s clear they aren’t acting in good faith, just like those dipshits arguing that Greta Thunberg is antisemitic.
For decades The strongest supporters of Zionism have been American protestants
This is a pretty recent development tbh
AIPAC played their hand well and now we have solid 50 million american mouth breathers enabling this genocide while rest of us are relegated to doing these online circle jerks since you can’t criticize israel in any formal capacity if you want to keep your job lol
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The vast majority of Jews are Zionists (i.e. support the existence of Israel. Half of the world‘s Jews live in Israel.
Are you trying to say that anti-Zionism is equivalent to antisemitism? Because that’s the only reason I can think of for why you’d try and make such an argument. To try and contrast or disagree with my statement that Zionism and Judaism are in fact different things. I maintain the fact that they are different and that calling out Zionism and Zionist apologia is not only acceptable but should be encouaged. People who call such people “Antisemitic” are Zionist trolls who should not be listened to and instead should be named and shamed, and ultimately banned from common spaces.
feddit.org is crap. when feddit.de died they forgot the benefits of a decentralized network just slapped ALL subs with german language on there.absolute idiots there.
Anyone who is against Israeli statehood, reply to this comment so I can block you. (I am no fan of Netanyahu and am against the war, but it seems most of you dont give a shit about it.)
Block them, you antisemite:
With honour.
Block me you whiny Zionist troll, you’re doing everyone a favor by using the Lemmy backend to disengage because you can’t do so yourself. Don’t expect the downvotes or callouts to stop though. This isn’t Reddit and blocking doesn’t prevent people from downvoting or calling out your shitty Zionist takes and making you look like an ass.
Edit: Lol you got your ass banned. Seems your Zionism finally caught up to you.
oh please block me
Im all for Israel becoming a city state of Palestine.
We cool?
Why not two state solution or a binational state like Bosnia-Herzegowina?
Why not having one state with equal rights for everyone living there and right to return for all Palestinian refugees and their descendants?
Wouldn’t be Zionist enough for their taste.
Because Israel has shown zero ability to manage a humanitarian state so far, even with all their added support from big daddy.
Giving Palestine the same chance before trying a two state solution would only be fair. Now if that doesnt work out, we can go for your idea, but not before Palestine gets the same option as Israel do to shoah or not.
Itll be fun, come on.
Because one state is a genocidal terror state. Would you ask Poland to give up half their country for the Nazi’s to keep living in after the war?
Thanks for doing our instance a service 😊 Sorry you got scratched easily. Anyways, it’ll be pretty hard to block an entire instance. I wish you the best in it.
If Lemmy Instance block actually blocked all users of one instance, .ml would be the first to go for me.
I don’t have as many qualms with db0 users, but this is a deffo nope for me.
If Lemmy Instance block actually blocked all users of one instance, .ml would be the first to go for me.
I opened an issue on the lemmy issue tracker, it’ll be in 1.0/1.1. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5578
I don’t have as many qualms with db0 users, but this is a deffo nope for me.
You claimed we support Hamas. No, we don’t? No admins support them here (afaik, users too.). But what we hate more, is the IDF. They’re committing an unrestrained genocide, with the OK/backing of other countries. So far, in my couple of comments i’ve been accused twice (by feddit.org users, no less) of supporting Hamas. Really? I didn’t even bring them up before it. Conflating jews with israel/IDF and palestinians with hamas is wrong.
The what about hamas is so annoying… but also Hamas is technically only thing fighting for Palestinian cause in the world where Waffen-IDF is supplied by Amercians and Germans…
but nah… what about hamas 🤡
Also, under international law, occupied peoples have any and all means available to them to depose colonizers. Technically, Hamas did not even commit a crime in that context. You can’t except to colonize and genocide and then cry for sympathy when victims lash out.
Depends on what you said. I haven’t accused you of anything yet. However there are some users here who either play down Hamas or just use antisemitic dog whistles.
Hey I support both the existence of a Palestinian state and an Israeli one. Of course the Netanyahu government sucks and the killing and war crimes need to be stopped.
But I am not going to compromise on the statehood question.
Got it, so you support the occupation and Colonization of Palestine. Here’s an idea. If you think Israel needs to exist so badly, why not just give them Germany? If anything you owe them that, not some small arab country who didn’t have any part in the atrocities. That’s why people are against Israel, having your homeland taken from you by someone else to make a home for an ethic group that, arguably does not need their own country isn’t cool, it’s even less cool when they start killing your people, including women and children.
You’re not going to get any sympathy for this crap outside of Zionist-friendly spaces. Which I’m not going to help create and it doesn’t seem like anyone else here is going to help create either.
Fuck the IHRA definition of antisemitism and fuck the Zionists who prop it up.
since you asked so nicely, you can add me to the list. I’m not a fan of state in the first place, but I definitely don’t think imperialist ethno-states deserve it.
Later. I will give it a couple hours for people who arent OP to reply and then you can have a position on the list.
But yes, I am aware or Betselem and I don’t deny the human rights violations of Israel. It just means that it needs a different government and needs to be held accountable for violations. But that doesn’t mean there should be no Israeli statehood. It just means Palestine needs to be also recognized as a state.
The main issue here is that Israel is an Apartheid Settler Colonialist State. The German law prevents even mentioning the reality of Israel as an Apartheid or as a Settler Colonialist Entity, both of which are critical to the understanding of the current situation and the resolution.
Controversially, the German government officially classifies the following as antisemitic: the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, the accusation that Israel is committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, and the depiction of Israel as a colonial or settler-colonial entity. Many of those arrested and cancelled in Germany over allegations of antisemitism have been Jews critical of Israel’s policies.[4]
Due to the Settler Colonialism that have atomized the West Bank into hundreds of isolated Bantustans, it’s already a one-state reality. I’ll quote Avi Schlaim and Ilan Pappe below as they explain the situation quite comprehensivly.
An Apartheid State has no right to exist. This was the same for Apartheid South Africa. The state was abolished and replaced with one that has equal rights. It did not mean the expulsion of all Afrikaners, it meant the creation of a new state with the integration of equal rights and reparations for the oppressed. It’s the same situation with the current state of Israel, and the way forward also requires the right of return for all Palestinians.
Settlements and the One-State Reality
The reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
"Its support – and this includes what is even called the ‘peace camp’ in Israel – for a two-state solution is an idea that says that you do not have to directly control every part of historical Palestine in order to establish your dominance and hegemony between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. So, if you can squeeze the Palestinians into small Bantustans and allow them to have a flag and a semblance of a government, there are quite a few Israelis who do not mind at all, so long as this will be the last and final kind of settlement for the Palestine question. Which means no real political rights for the Palestinians, no right of return for the refugees, and keeping all Palestinians in different parts of historical Palestine, at best as second-rate citizens, at worst, as subjects in an apartheid state.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
Israel is a criminal enterprise. But sure we can have Palestine as a multicultural state as it should have been from the start. The state of Israel from its inception has been a genocide project and now it is confirmed for the world to see.
Israel will be dismantled in its current form once US support wanes after boomers die off. Israel knows his and hence why they went gloves off to the point where the world despises them.
Sadly, there won’t be many Palestinians left but we will say “never again” again 🤡
YDI. Feddit.org is based in Germany and has to adhere to German laws. Some of the stuff you say can land you a fine or in repeat cases even a short jail sentence in Germany.
Oh, well by all means,…
Free Palestine. Free Gaza, then.
Yeah I do support Palestinian statehood, but in a two state solution with the 1949 to 1967 border and no Israeli settlements in Palestine.
Of course you do, sweetheart 🙄
It is easy to say you support these since they are never happening. Germany’s support among other clown regimes like US are ensuring this.
You are advocating for censorship based on legal analysis that’s at best shaky.
It is easy to say you support these since they are never happening.
How can you be so sure? As far as I can remember, thousands of Israelis were protesting against Netanyahu in the past. Before that, I didn’t think that was possible either.
You are advocating for censorship based on legal analysis that’s at best shaky.
At no point did they do that. They merely explained the current situation without advocating for/ against it. As far as explanations go, a matter-of-fact view is reasonable.
Read his other comments in this thread.
Americans also “protested” trump lol
Accepting the IHRA definition is not law, it’s policy. Die Linke rejects it in favor of the Jerusalem declaration, for instance. Likewise, advocating for a secular one state solution or a two state solution are both perfectly legal. Calling for an end of material support, also legal. The only part that could, by a wide stretch of the imagination, be against German law is listing Nazi Germany in the list of comparisons. But since this is not saying “Israel is exactly like Nazi Germany”, even that would be on very shaky grounds.
Stop pretending this is about German law. This is about political opinions, and these opinions are Zionism
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/urteil-israel-karikatur-nazivergleich-meinungsfreiheit-1.5683671 It is punishable in Germany.
They got charged for showing swastikas outside of what the court deemed educational context. Not relevant, read your own article:
Das Gericht verweist auf das Hakenkreuz, das in der Karikatur verwendet wird. Das Hakenkreuz ist grundsätzlich ein verbotenes Symbol nach Paragraf 86a des Strafgesetzbuchs. Es ist nur legal, dieses Symbol zu zeigen, wenn man damit einen legitimen politischen Zweck verfolgt - zum Beispiel historische Aufklärung, oder etwa Warnung vor Neonazis.
You should read further. That wasn’t the only reason. Another reason was “Verharmlosung des Shoah”
And you should read yet further, the thing they got charged for was the swastika:
Das Argument der Richter lautet, kurz gesagt: Wer eine solche Karikatur postet, der scheint mit den Verbrechen der Nazis eher keine Probleme zu haben. Dann aber darf er nicht ungestraft das Hakenkreuz verwenden.
This court ruling was in Bavaria and quite controversial at the time, btw. But even in it’s most generous reading it does not say what you claim it does.
This is about German law though, whether you like it or not.
Which law? Which law applies here? The article you posted is not relevant to the comment at hand
Volksverhetzung
A simple comparison between a state and Nazi Germany does not fall under that. Or else, how many people have been charged for comparing Russia to the Nazis since they invaded Ukraine? This is only applicable if you hold the position that Israel and the Jewish people are synonymous, which is not true, it is anchored nowhere in German law, and is the very point this post addresses: the IHRA working definition is wholly unsuited for political or judicial dealings.
It can though. It’s not like calling Netanyahu or the IDF nazis which probably would be allowed despite being controversial.
Okay, then answer me this: if I say “Russia is acting like Nazi Germany”, is it Volksverhetzung? Would it get removed on feddit.org citing German law?
If not, why? Where in law does Israel get special treatment? Or is it policy after all?
I did not realize that Austria was a state within the federation haha
Is this some sort of nazi slip up here?
From the River to the Sea, Fuck Germany.
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American donkeys think their right of free speech applies throughout the world. Pathetic.
Not an american. Still PTB. Get your head out of your ass.
PS, what the fuck does this have to do with anything, even? Nobody brought up america.
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Baseless accusation, completely off topic. You’re not helping the allegations that feddit.org is full of Zionists
Oh fuck off. I have many criticisms about hamas but they don’t even come close to the evil that is the IDF.
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No, they just murder babies and hide the corpses in mass graves, while dropping bombs on gay Palestinians and indiscriminately murdering them along with the babies, women, elderly.
Or they threaten to out gay Palestinians if they don’t spy for Israel.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/gay-palestinians-are-being-blackmailed-into-working-as-informants/
The IDF almost make Hamas look like the good guys, that’s how far down they are in comparison.
Sounds like the typical queerphobic genocide apologia I’ve seen where Zionists try and frame the Queer people pushing back against the Israeli
DefenseOccupation Force’s genocide of Palestinian citizens as being akin to Chickens for KFC. Trying to say it’s dumb, invalid, or hypocritical for us to stand up for these innocent people who are being murdered@fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com What is this person still doing here? Isn’t this a blatant violation of server rules? IMO they probably should’ve been booted.
Banned. I’m tired of all of this bullshit. Honestly I expected better from feddit, but really?
They think we’re criticizing them for not calling for a genocide against Jews. Fuck no, Zionism is an objectively evil ideology. It doesn’t matter if it were arabs, Jews etc; it’s still fucking evil.
Sadly, they’ve seemed to double down locally on their instance. :/
Agreed it’s really disgusting. Zionism is absolutely atrocious and has no justification and instead of trying to realize and understand that they just try and frame or accuse us of being antisemitic. I think I’m blocking Feddit.
IDF didn’t throw homosexuals off roofs to their deaths.
show them colors, boy!
Nice trying weaving this propaganda slop into this here tho
if they’re equally evil, why are you defending the IDF?
and don’t give us the bullshit about LGBT+ rights. it may not be illegal in Israel, but queer folk there still face serious persecution, including people being beaten by mobs for being gay. if you gotta hide who you are so a random mob doesn’t murder you, your nation isn’t a paragon of gay rights.
Feddit.org idiot can’t distinguish an argument about what the legal limits on free speech are from an argument about what the moral limits of free speech should be. Demented.
Nah, i don’t think so.
aaaand unfollowed the community europe @ feeditUK here I come!
on that note: Since my account is on the same instance, how do they relate to the community? Like is the reputation of the instance untouched by this or no, if how?
EDIT: DAMN! The uk sub is about the product boycott transition, not about european news.
We need a new instance for that! Guys Europe stands and falls on values. If theres no other eu community or the current one doesnt adapt/make sufficient statements here, that would seriously harm the reputation and take away from one of the biggest current incentives to use lemmy - european exchange
Question, why is your account on our instance when you don’t interact with it to know how this encounter with that communities strict rules relates to the instance as a whole?
Also a bit of a knee jerk reaction, no?
Enlighten me, what is not a knee jetk reaction to a mod defending a nazi-like regime using anti nazi laws as an excuse?
I asked first
Okay I don’t know, now to my questions?
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25859076
Let’s-a go!
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Why would anyone be enraged by users defending Jews?
Supposing that the mod is using the “german definition”, there is still the issue of hosting an incredibly popular instance. In online places where a huge influx of non-german users live, I’d argue that it should be treated like a public place where free speech is granted. How am i supposed to understand the cultural realities of Germany if I live thousands of miles away from it? Am I supposed to tone down my right to free speech just because they’ve treated their subjective experience as a universal law?
But I like that on Lemmy, I’m seeing diverse discussion on German/Austrian law. I don’t get to see that on other prominent platforms, which tend to favor wikipedia-type discourse that often ends with american pop history/culture inferences.
What is free speech? There is no globally defined free speech. So it comes to national law of the location where the instance is hosted in.
This is the internet. And modding decision acting like a crime was a committed… And bootlickers are fine with it.
Fedi community as a whole don’t appear to be amused and the arguments so far are even more telling than the original censorship action lol
Moderation rulings are subjective. There are legitimate interests in free speech, even if the idea itself has no distinct and clear impressions. At best, he’s only applying an inference. At worst, he’s suppressing free speech that he doesn’t like hearing.
The instance has rules and the server is German. Usually when you visit another country, you do your research about the dos and dont so that you don’t look like an ass.
Zionazi jizzrali scum
Germany not be a fucking nazi challenge impossible
