“Yes don’t vote at all to get rid of fascism”

  • piefood@feddit.online
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    23 hours ago

    They did tho. Trump is one of, if not the least popular president we’ve ever had. Are you telling me that the Democrat’s really tried their best, and couldn’t find anyone that was more likeable than him?

    I did vote against Trump, but I also voted against Harris. I did that because, unlike you, I didn’t want genocide or fascism.

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      6 hours ago

      Are you telling me that the Democrat’s really tried their best

      We’re telling you Republicans ran the most propagandized campaign in American history and Americans were too stupid to see through it. This is far more about Americans being stupid and easily manipulated than it is about Democrats running a bad campaign.

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      22 hours ago

      https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/super-tuesday/

      Sanders got… 1/3 bidens vote?

      What magic candidate do you think could have done so much better?

      You live so deep up your own ass on the left you don’t understand how stubbornly conservative much of the country is.

      That’s why Biden was a good candidate, old and white, mildly racist, he literally aligned with the majority of this worthless trash country.

      I’m not white, and I suspect you haven’t lived outside of the coasts, large parts of this country are almost Afghanistan.

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        6 hours ago

        Yes, Sanders is a great example. The guy that the DNC literally had to put their finger on the scale to overcome. The guy that polled better than Trump in red states.

        I have lived all over the country: The coasts, the middle, the south. I know plenty of people in red states that don’t like Trump, but don’t see the Democrats putting out a candidate that they like. Maybe if the Democrats tried to differentiate themselves from Trump, instead of chasing his policies, they’d do better.

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          Did you see his primary results?

          This wasn’t 2016, he got creamed in 2020, and it’s fair to say he would have gotten destroyed in 2016 too.

          I lived in most of the country, the vile hatred in the south is something you can’t appreciate, they are literally only Republicans now because they switched for the only time since the founding, because their first and only issue is racism.

          You have 0 chance of electing a Jewish socialist, doesn’t matter how right he is, just no chance.

          Biden should never have won an election and he creamed everyone in the primaries, because this country still wants the most boring old wasp guy they can find.

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            1 hour ago

            Yeah, Biden won after the DNC rigged the election in favor of their candidates. Prior to that, Sanders was doing pretty good. Polling also had Sanders doing pretty good in red states.

            Yes, the south is super racist, I know first hand. And I agree that the south would have been an uphill battle for Bernie, but I think he could have won despite having the south against him. Now it’s too late, and it’s just speculation.

            But none of that takes away from the fact that the Democrats keep putting up terrible candidates that nobody wants. Look at the polling and votes for Harris, Biden, and Hillary. They did terrible, and it wasn’t a surprise to anyone. The Dems need to pick better, or they are gonna keep losing.

    • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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      21 hours ago

      I did vote against Trump, but I also voted against Harris. I did that because, unlike you, I didn’t want genocide or fascism.

      No, you did not. You engaged in a purely performative action with no statistical chance of a positive outcome against fascism or genocide, so that you could brag about your moral purity while offering up the rest of us to fascists, including your SO, apparently, to feed your ego.

      You can lie to others and you can lie to yourself but, the math doesn’t lie. FPTP system with established parties (one of them openly fascist, that already attempted a coup) meant that there were, mathematically, two options (not a false dichotomy but a real one): voting for a candidate with a statistical chance of winning against the fascists, or letting fascists win. You chose the latter and, if we survive this, that’s something that you’ll have to come to terms with and take responsibility for.

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        6 hours ago

        The math also doesn’t lie about 3rd parties: If we had all voted for Harris (and that’s a big if), the Dems still wouldn’t have won. The math also doesn’t lie about the Dems: They ran two terrible campaigns, that even Democratic voters stayed home on, rather than support. A bunch of people who voted for Biden ended up voting for Trump in this election. That’s on the Dem leadership.

        I completely own up to my vote, and it’s consequences. I wish the Dems would do the same.