Got this notification when I opened Chrome when coming back to my desk after lunch.
“We changed our privacy settings to allow us to snoop on what you’re looking at and shove you ads accordingly. Feel free to opt out, but we’ll probably opt you back in when you aren’t paying attention.”
What is stopping you from using Brave? Don’t you just need a chromium based browser?
Our laptop is locked. We cannot just install programs into it and there are regular audits on the content of the laptop so no portable applications also.
Of course on my personal laptop I’ve always used FF since I became aware of it, about the year 2007 or so.
OK, I don’t think your work laptop really counts, that’s entirely the decision and fault of your employer. We use Google apps at work but I don’t consider myself to be a Google apps user, just my work is.
Yeah but that in itself underlines the problem. A large part of people’s time is spent on work. And yes people do tend to use what is familiar.
Think of adobe. They offer students free access to adobe products. Which in turn transfers to a workforce that mainly use their products which in turn bleeds unto nonprofessionals using their products because of the abundance of youtube tutorials by professionals on how to use adobe products.
True, on the other hand this is very much employee driven. Some IT guy picked chrome as a company policy, and the reasoning behind it was looking at which browser would cause the least amounts of tickets with people complaining about browser choice.
The same is with office. Do you think a company likes to pay MS for it’s shitty office suite, for when people have to type out 3 lines of text? Of couse not, but it cuts down on whining. (obv. there are places that are “full contact” ms office users, with excel sheets full of macros, but these are quite a minority)
Point is if public opinion would shift to firefox, companies would just roll out an update to use firefox from now on. Yes some webapps would break, but that is like “activeX” dependent sites in 2018… A bit pathetic.
I used to be IT and now I’m in sysadmin work. I don’t make corporate software decisions personally but I work with the folks who do. You’re not entirely wrong but you’re being extremely reductive.
Browser decisions are less about complaints and more about minimizing the ability of third party vendors to blame issues with their sites and occasional business required extensions on our browser choice.
Vendors would be more likely to support Firefox if it was more popular with the public, but that’s more of a second order thing than some arbitrary “avoid complaints” decision. Fuck, half of sysadmin is selling the business on whatever shitty change you have to force on them because you don’t have a reasonable choice. Avoiding complaints is so far down the priority list that it’s routinely ignored.
The move to Chrome from IE where I work was caused by the vendor providing our timecard site making changes so it would only work in Chrome. One could argue “just drop the timecard vendor” but that’s a decision outside of IT’s hands (timecard and payroll is HR’s domain) and a change like that is too massive to kick off due to something like what web browser needs to be used. That effects payroll, time cards, employee reviews, taxes, access to benefits… too much to just go “IT says no”
For reference, this was ADP. I know not all of their contracts went through this (my wife’s workplace uses ADP and somehow is still on IE, their lack of IT security scares me) but again, not for IT to negotiate. Best part was that we had other business critical sites that still required IE, so while Chrome was the default, we had people using both.
We’ve since changed to Edge as default as vendors were dragged kicking and screaming away from IE and activeX (shudder), but now we still keep Chrome around for the vendors trying to get out of fixing their shit. Avoiding complaints does come into it, but far less than you’d think.
As far as MS Office goes, yes familiarity to the office workers comes into it (employee efficiency and saving time on training trumps personal stands about open source). There’s a lot more to it though. You can’t call up GNU support when OpenOffice shits the bed, we can and do with Microsoft sometimes just to calm a VIP. Having someone external to blame for things users don’t understand is a valuable tool. We can rely on MS Office having easy configuration options so we can meet the various regulatory requirements our company has. MS Office can be managed through the same tools we already use to manage OS settings in our environment with no custom work or additional software. We don’t rely on sometimes janky open source reverse engineering to open document types we recieve from outside our company, risking formatting issues causing problems with legal documents (yes, incredibly unlikely, but why even open yourself to the risk).
Admittedly, my workplace is “full contact” Office use. The things these bastards get up to with functions and macros is amazing and horrifying. When I was on the helpdesk I lost track of how many times I had to walk high level people through the fact that no their machine was not underpowered, they did not need more RAM, but that they had hit the limit for data in a single sheet in Excel and the only solution was to work with smaller amounts of data at a time. Since I’ve moved to sysadmin I’ve lost track of how many times we’ve had issues escalated to us because some department has constructed a faux DB using a bunch of Excel workbooks and data connectors between them. Just happy I’m not our SQL guy trying to move them away from that, poor bastard.
Anyway, at any medium or larger companies, these decisions have a lot more going on than tech dude preference and trying to avoid complaints.
Ooh ooh ooh! I got to do this the other day! Out SAAS database software gives us only limited functions and no SQL access so I dumped half a million rows to Excel to make a spreadsheet following a request from the top. After a couple of hours I had crafted my spreadsheet was about to send it when I was told “oh nevermind, they foind they already have a custom report that shows them the same information”
Yeah you are also correct. Now what we need to figure out is how to convince the majority, given that the proliferation of advertising from corporations and sheer exposure due to mere universal availability of chrome and other corp products is a major roadblock to overcome.
You nailed it. I use FF for personal stuff, but I need a chromium browser for work (internal sites are wonky on FF).
But I work 8hrs a day for 5 days. I don’t even have 8 hours of total free time on saturday and sunday combined, much less use my pc for that long for personal things.
Don’t use Brave.
Why not? Brave is way better than standard chromium or even ungoogled chromium. Brave Shields is one of the best adblockers I’ve seen. Balances blocking trackers and not breaking websites really well.
Firefox > Brave > Edge > Chrome. It’s still better to use Brave than the last two.
Not having Firefox, or a derivate, I’d rather use Chromium.
Exactly. Or Ungoogled Chromium.
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Hard disagree.