Would you be more convinced if we moved the goalposts to that old Right Wing nutjob phrase “cultural genocide”?
Throwing people into camps for traditional values, guilt by association or proximity, (from the files, along with goals of sinisation).
And the imposition of modern wage labour, while removing local language and lifestyles.
Or will you at least conced that if those files are real, then there is/was a huge mass detention campaign that bordered upon, if not being one, a crime against humanity?
What part of “the camps are closed” don’t you seem to understand? You can argue for a certain degree of police state in Xinjiang for a few years in the past, but arguing for an ongoing genocide is absolutely nonsensical, which is the conversation that we started.
Maybe you’re muddling stuff up with someone else in another comment chain said?
I, and please double check my posts, don’t think I’ve said (and hopefully not said anything that implies) I think there is mass murder of Uighurs.
We’ve also in this conversation not mentioned the camps being closed, and while I’ve yet to see conclusive evidence of that my use of “is/was” was intended to allow the possibility.
I thought your main point, and what we were discussing was:
there isn’t a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn’t been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?
And hence the focus on these files, which maybe don’t show the hyperbolic levels of “harrowing genocide”, do, I think, show that there is/was evidence of harrowing violence against the Uighur people - which you yourself seem just about ready to admit to as “a certain degree of police violence”, in addition to the state violence of mass incaerations and guilt by association that these documents show.
Would you be more convinced if we moved the goalposts to that old Right Wing nutjob phrase “cultural genocide”?
Throwing people into camps for traditional values, guilt by association or proximity, (from the files, along with goals of sinisation).
And the imposition of modern wage labour, while removing local language and lifestyles.
Or will you at least conced that if those files are real, then there is/was a huge mass detention campaign that bordered upon, if not being one, a crime against humanity?
What part of “the camps are closed” don’t you seem to understand? You can argue for a certain degree of police state in Xinjiang for a few years in the past, but arguing for an ongoing genocide is absolutely nonsensical, which is the conversation that we started.
Maybe you’re muddling stuff up with someone else in another comment chain said?
I, and please double check my posts, don’t think I’ve said (and hopefully not said anything that implies) I think there is mass murder of Uighurs.
We’ve also in this conversation not mentioned the camps being closed, and while I’ve yet to see conclusive evidence of that my use of “is/was” was intended to allow the possibility.
I thought your main point, and what we were discussing was:
And hence the focus on these files, which maybe don’t show the hyperbolic levels of “harrowing genocide”, do, I think, show that there is/was evidence of harrowing violence against the Uighur people - which you yourself seem just about ready to admit to as “a certain degree of police violence”, in addition to the state violence of mass incaerations and guilt by association that these documents show.