Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?
No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.
read the comment above. it’s still subjective,(because you’re arguing about what a person might have believed from the inside), but it explains what seemed to be hitler’s real religious views. It was an extreme version of panthism.
These cult leaders come up with extreme evil idologies under the name of any religon and it even happens in the name of Atheism, or anti-religon itself. China committed multiple genocides against religious minorities like the Falun Gong and Ugyher Muslims in the name of anti-religion and cult of national patrioty.
So in conclusion, evil extreme idologies can come from and in the name of good religon of faith, or can even come from good lack-of-faith, and that’s why you should not blame neither demonize nor bomb people just because of their general faith of religon or atheism.
He wasn’t a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler’s image, and that of the Nazi’s in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the ‘clean wehrmacht’ myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent’s viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
I’m one of the dirty baby eating atheists, fwiw. Raised in christian fundamentalism. (Technically, I’m an agnostic Atheist.)
Read the article that answersplease posted below. According to that he was some sort of pantheist.
Ultimately, I think these guys are functional agnostics no matter what they claimed or even belive. The drive required to possess that level of power and manipulate everyone on your side and kill the Other doesn’t leave any room except for worship of self. I guess they’re amoral, but I’m not sure if labels like narcissist or sociopath always apply. You don’t have to be one of those to do great evil, just incredibly selfish and greedy. Chump may be an exception here, he’s obviously a fragile narcissist chasing daddy’s love.
For most of them, religion is just another tool to get what they want. They’ll change their beliefs to suit their desires. Musk is a good example, going from a darling of the left to the right. He was always a reptile in a skin suit, and for a while he made LGBTQ and environmental noises because that got him what he wanted.
I’ll look into Clean Wermarcht when i have time to fall into a rabbit hole. My question above was a genuine statement of what I knew of the subject. It’s interesting even though the entire thing is enraging.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.
Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.
So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.
So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
Wir müssen Gott danken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.
We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.
And a speech from 1939:
Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“
It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”
“Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon
Good writeup man, but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff… but thatwill remain subjective still. That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.
but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside
A thing no one can do.
He lied about talking to god
Opinion with no base. One could say >subjective
Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist
Thats both, opinion with no base and bullshit. Christians (or believers of any religion) do and have done horrible things. Being a christian / theist does not stop you from being a bad person. You want to tell me that Hitler was no true scotsman?
Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy
And thats all you can do, because you, just like me, can not tell what people think or believe.
while both of us we know (…) that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff
I don’t. And I think it’s arrogant to pretend to know what someone believes when he states other.
this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit
Not a thing a believer couldn’t do. Actually a thing believers quite often do.
but thatwill remain subjective still
Agree.
That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist
You don’t know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you’re wrong.
it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists
Yet, believers commonly use the lie of “Hitler beeing atheist” as an example for atheists beeing bad people.
In conclusion, once again, a pretty wordy “no true scotsman”
You don’t know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you’re wrong.
Well, I can explain more of what I said again, but no I’m not wrong. If I’m wrong, then it’s subjective and you’re wrong. Okay so, let me explain more to you what his true belief was, which was there was no god aka an athiest:
Lets go over what I said again.
1- He lied about talking to god:
If that was not true, then you’re claiming that hitler was shizophrinic, which is a claim I never heard before. No… lets face it without reasonable doubt, Hitler and the likes of him lie about god’s message to them…etc to exploit a cult into evil idologies. Okay, that alone really shows what he really believes inside.
2- Changed religon and exploited people’s faith for evil:
If your belief was objectively deviant, then you either shock yourself and follow it against your own morality, or leave it seeking the truth. In hitler’s case, he was the one changing scripture for his own evil gains. It does not make sense otherwise… what are you trying to say? That hitler was someone good from the inside but he sincerely misguided himself against his own moral compass and preached evil against his own desires? and that h just became crazy evil because he had no choice but to believe the scriptures and teachings which he created then preached himself…?!
3- He comitted suicide when surrounded:
He was the one doing god’s message and god’s work and had nothing to fear as god was on his side until the moment he dies. He was the chosen one for god’s work… Where did his faith go? Go watch the interviews of people of faith. They interview Palestinian and Yemeni leaders telling them that Israel has announced their assassination unless they stop or surrender, … they smile saying " I now have little time so I have to work harder to earn my myrtedom and meet god! I cant wait to receive this honor after all these years of work at this age. This is the message I believed and fought for until the day I die."
Hitler had no faith and knew to get away from facing consequences by dying and facing nothing afterward… which is really somethimg only an atheist can do.
No, but they do all use their respective religion as a control tool, and all of them would have (had in khominis case) a harder time pulling off their respective atrocities without it. Organized religion is very easily abused.
The specifics of who gets fucked over in what way might also differ, in israels case it’s a geographical thing, but the other two could use any outgroup. Organized religion provides an easy way to find one. Sometimes even half the population (women).
woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?
Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?
No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.
Fucking what?
What is this bullshit? Is this the narrative now? Hitler did what he did because of “extreme atheism”?
Absolutely ahistorical fucking horse shit
read the comment above. it’s still subjective,(because you’re arguing about what a person might have believed from the inside), but it explains what seemed to be hitler’s real religious views. It was an extreme version of panthism.
These cult leaders come up with extreme evil idologies under the name of any religon and it even happens in the name of Atheism, or anti-religon itself. China committed multiple genocides against religious minorities like the Falun Gong and Ugyher Muslims in the name of anti-religion and cult of national patrioty.
So in conclusion, evil extreme idologies can come from and in the name of good religon of faith, or can even come from good lack-of-faith, and that’s why you should not blame neither demonize nor bomb people just because of their general faith of religon or atheism.
Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?
I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?
Personal general impression, no source.
He wasn’t a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler’s image, and that of the Nazi’s in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the ‘clean wehrmacht’ myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent’s viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
It’s… unpleasant, to say the least.
I’m one of the dirty baby eating atheists, fwiw. Raised in christian fundamentalism. (Technically, I’m an agnostic Atheist.)
Read the article that answersplease posted below. According to that he was some sort of pantheist.
Ultimately, I think these guys are functional agnostics no matter what they claimed or even belive. The drive required to possess that level of power and manipulate everyone on your side and kill the Other doesn’t leave any room except for worship of self. I guess they’re amoral, but I’m not sure if labels like narcissist or sociopath always apply. You don’t have to be one of those to do great evil, just incredibly selfish and greedy. Chump may be an exception here, he’s obviously a fragile narcissist chasing daddy’s love.
For most of them, religion is just another tool to get what they want. They’ll change their beliefs to suit their desires. Musk is a good example, going from a darling of the left to the right. He was always a reptile in a skin suit, and for a while he made LGBTQ and environmental noises because that got him what he wanted.
I’ll look into Clean Wermarcht when i have time to fall into a rabbit hole. My question above was a genuine statement of what I knew of the subject. It’s interesting even though the entire thing is enraging.
He was:
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else
Regardless even if he was a “christian”, he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.
Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
And a speech from 1939:
“Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
Good writeup man, but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff… but thatwill remain subjective still. That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.
A thing no one can do.
Opinion with no base. One could say >subjective
Thats both, opinion with no base and bullshit. Christians (or believers of any religion) do and have done horrible things. Being a christian / theist does not stop you from being a bad person. You want to tell me that Hitler was no true scotsman?
And thats all you can do, because you, just like me, can not tell what people think or believe.
I don’t. And I think it’s arrogant to pretend to know what someone believes when he states other.
Not a thing a believer couldn’t do. Actually a thing believers quite often do.
Agree.
You don’t know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you’re wrong.
Yet, believers commonly use the lie of “Hitler beeing atheist” as an example for atheists beeing bad people.
In conclusion, once again, a pretty wordy “no true scotsman”
Well, I can explain more of what I said again, but no I’m not wrong. If I’m wrong, then it’s subjective and you’re wrong. Okay so, let me explain more to you what his true belief was, which was there was no god aka an athiest: Lets go over what I said again. 1- He lied about talking to god: If that was not true, then you’re claiming that hitler was shizophrinic, which is a claim I never heard before. No… lets face it without reasonable doubt, Hitler and the likes of him lie about god’s message to them…etc to exploit a cult into evil idologies. Okay, that alone really shows what he really believes inside.
2- Changed religon and exploited people’s faith for evil: If your belief was objectively deviant, then you either shock yourself and follow it against your own morality, or leave it seeking the truth. In hitler’s case, he was the one changing scripture for his own evil gains. It does not make sense otherwise… what are you trying to say? That hitler was someone good from the inside but he sincerely misguided himself against his own moral compass and preached evil against his own desires? and that h just became crazy evil because he had no choice but to believe the scriptures and teachings which he created then preached himself…?!
3- He comitted suicide when surrounded: He was the one doing god’s message and god’s work and had nothing to fear as god was on his side until the moment he dies. He was the chosen one for god’s work… Where did his faith go? Go watch the interviews of people of faith. They interview Palestinian and Yemeni leaders telling them that Israel has announced their assassination unless they stop or surrender, … they smile saying " I now have little time so I have to work harder to earn my myrtedom and meet god! I cant wait to receive this honor after all these years of work at this age. This is the message I believed and fought for until the day I die."
Hitler had no faith and knew to get away from facing consequences by dying and facing nothing afterward… which is really somethimg only an atheist can do.
Ok bye bus arrived!
This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.
They really should change the name of the fallacy to “no true Christian”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns
No, but they do all use their respective religion as a control tool, and all of them would have (had in khominis case) a harder time pulling off their respective atrocities without it. Organized religion is very easily abused.
The specifics of who gets fucked over in what way might also differ, in israels case it’s a geographical thing, but the other two could use any outgroup. Organized religion provides an easy way to find one. Sometimes even half the population (women).
Yeah they all use the religion of the state to inflict violence and control. The difference is merely in branding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
fuckin lol
woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?