John Deere brags about sabotaging competitors & customers on hot mic - they’re PROUD of it!

  • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    Not necessarily. A bunch of us could band together and fund a bunch of folks who are good at building shit and just commission them to design and build new tractors that are easily repairable – preferably electric too – and then sell them. And this effort could be incorporated as a non-profit, which itself legally can own businesses and those businesses could sell them at a profit, and kill off John Deere’s shitty-ass company and any other shitbirds that want to take away consumers’ rights to own their own products.

      • FringeTheory999@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Because it’s idiotic and non-actionable. I didn’t down vote him though. I say go ahead and try it, see how far you get. John Deer has lots of money, it’s not like they wouldn’t act to stop you. They’ll sue you into oblivion and they won’t even need a case with merit to drive your little startup into the ground. They’ll just outspend you, not to mention they’ll have consolidated supply lines that you’ll need and that they will not share. The first rule of capitalism is that competition is not to be tolerated.

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            1 year ago

            If someone challenges you to a fist fight, don’t fist fight them. They want you to fist fight them because it gives them advantage. They’ve trained and prepared for fist fights their entire life. You are doing them a favor by fighting them by their rules. You have to fight them on your terms, playing your own game. Whatever your game is, that’s the way you have to face them. harrass, sabotage and disrupt. Failing that, guillotines are a very fun game indeed.

            taking on a business, with business is like wresting a pig. You’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.

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              1 year ago

              Your logic is: “Someone challenged me to a fist fight, so I declined, followed them home, and stabbed them and their family to death in their sleep, which makes me smart.”

              No, my friend, it makes you a fucking psychopath.

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                That is not the scenario I described, but it is imaginative. I’ll give you that. Here, let an old chinese guy explain it to you…

                “If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

                Or as I like to paraphrase it “Don’t give anyone the fight they came looking for. Give them a different fight”.

                Now go be dumb somewhere else.

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                  1 year ago

                  Or as I like to paraphrase it “Don’t give anyone the fight they came looking for. Give them a different fight”.

                  The problem you’re missing though is that you’re assuming there’s only one way of fighting business-to-business, straight head on. There are other ways.

                  For example, a grassroots guerrilla warfare style business approach can be done, versus just a straight head-to-head combat, business-wise.

                  That is not the scenario I described, but it is imaginative.

                  Failing that, guillotines are a very fun game indeed.

                  There’s no need to insinuate/promote actual violence. The center will not hold if everyone is trying to tear each other’s throats out.

                  Now go be dumb somewhere else.

                  And there’s no need to insult others just to promote yourself and your opinions, that just turns people off to listening to your ideas and what you’re trying to say.

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                  1 year ago

                  Wow, you just insulted me.

                  I guess the only smart thing to do is to track you down and murder your whole family. In case you’re wondering, this is what an insane overreaction would look like.

                  You’re a psychopath, this isn’t an actual war, and you’re not doing a good machiavelli.

                  Even Von Clausewitz understood the continuum of conflict between politics and hostilities, you just seem like a neckbeard who wants to go mall ninja.

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        your definition of “something actionable” is:

        1. organize $0.5-1 bn in funding (<1 % of deere market cap, seemed reasonable given the cost per unit and r&d time to develop a whole new automotive platform)
        2. spend 5-10 years developing a new platform, and manufacturing to support anything remotely resembling the scope of american agriculture
        3. ???
        4. profit

        did i get that right?

        cause i think your definition of “something actionable” is a bit far-fetched.

        now its fair to say “well didn’t john deere do that?” and the answer is…no. not at all.

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          You’re incorrect with your item number one, as far as being able to take an invention from the drawing board to actual product ready to be sold.

          Under the right conditions it can be done for a lot less is what you’ve stated.

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            1 year ago

            I am “incorrect” with an extreme hypothetical estimate?

            on the one hand, :o !!!

            on the other hand, where is your plan to replace john deere on, say, $150m (you said a lot less than 500m, so im picking 150 as ‘a lot less’)

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          That tells you all you need to know about how other people really are.

          whats the last manufacturing company you started?

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              1 year ago

              lol, what a response

              well crafted implication that you could back up what you’re saying, but why would you. I like it. You still suck, but, solid internet points collector.