Please note that the official title of the article is:
Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.
Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.
The whole thing is sus:
- Prigozhin stages a march onto Moscow
- Putin runs away to St Petersburg, where a couple vans full of allegedly Prigozhin’s money get found, so he just stops short of Moscow and turns around
- Prigozhin runs away to Belarus, Wagner to split between “core” in Belarus and the rest getting incorporated into Russia’s military
- Russia blocks food export from Ukraine, holds a conference with African countries where it promises to send food
- Niger sees a military coup, asks for Wagner help, Russia agrees, Prigozhin releases video of himself in Africa
…just a couple days later…
- Prigozhin in a private plane over Russia, north of Moscow, in route to St Petersburg, crashes and dies along with other Wagner leadership
…wait, what? How? Why? Wasn’t he just in Africa, and not welcome in Russia?
You know you can rename posts with clickbait titles right? Maybe just ask the user to rename and kick or ban him if he does not comply.
I did message him, bot no response as of yet.
While the article is named that, his death has been confirmed by the Russian government and afaik the genetic samples are being analysed
As of this moment, there is no credible news source that confirms with 100% certainty that he’s dead. It’s likely, but not confirmed.
When making claims like this, always provide your source.
Quite literally the FAVT(FAVT.gov.ru) telegram channel https://t.me/favt_ru/1278. They have the channel linked on the website😐
FAVT(FAVT .gov.ru ) telegram channel
So… any credible sources?
“🤓”
Anyway, then what’s more credible than an official source who’s been literally fearing this old smart ass man? Make a realistic example
I think you might could a word… I’m really not sure what you mean. 🤨
What’s more credible than an official source that happens to hate and fear prigozhin
Regardless, the article being pointed to makes a weaker claim than the Lemmy title. Bad practice in general, even if it’s known from other sources.
Right after the title the FAVT post I linked above is being mentioned.
Idk man, I believe you. I just think we should be mirroring titles closely is all.
True, but the mod didn’t even read what’s after the title and came at OP and that’s somehow op’s fault
Wow, I’ve been browsing Twitter, Reddit and Lemmy for the past few hours. I’m surprised to see such breaking news first in Lemmy instead of Twitter or Reddit.
Awesome! Hope the Fidiverse keeps on growing to become bigger than Reddit and Twitter.
Look at me
Lemmy is the frontpage of the internet now
Reddit hot sorts more by popular, so things take a long time to rise up.
Lemmy hot seems to be (too much) biased to new. Can be a bad thing because it looks like things don’t get popular. They do but you don’t see it by hot, you see it by top 12 hour.
Early 2010s Reddit was so addicting, if there was something in the world it was on the front page in 15 minutes. I remember being excited to check on Reddit after waking up to see that was the event of the day.
After 2016 the algo was screwed up and it became a cesspool of reposts and news were late to show up.
I think the algorithm for Lemmy’s hot sorting is just based on interactions within time unit. The newer the post, the more valuable an upvote is.
Lemmy “hot” seems to function a lot like reddit’s “rising”
No problem, let’s have Hot 1 and Hot 2!
Hot 1 is Hot
Hot 2 is Top 6 hours
At least how I use it.
We’re missing “most comments in the last <time>”</time>
The one thing current Reddit seems to do right is give smaller subreddits a chance to show up on Hot. Lemmy tends to be a little too simple, and the frontpage gets dominated by the one or two big groups.
Yeah, I’m pretty happy with the sorting algorithm in general for the way content gets presented, but some weighting to better include smaller communities would be great. Lemmy is still struggling with getting a critical mass in users to support niche interests, and a better post sorting could help a bit at least.
On Reddit you want to sort by “Rising” for this sort of breaking news stuff.
Now I learn this, 2 months after tossing that platform in the bin.
After years of wondering where the hell the breaking news went…
I think it’s only a matter of time. The enshitification of reddit is guaranteed, it’s really inevitable and it’s going to keep getting worse. Long live the Fediverse!
The Future is Federated.
old man
I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.
Oh that’s why I fell over my kids’ toys. I’m unimportant but it WAS Putin!
dude, wtf? That literally happened to me today. I was bringing my kid a bowl of strawberries when I stepped right on top of a little toy house. Me on the floor. Strawberries all over the place. And all my kid could say was “wow, that was scary,” and then went back to playing. Savage.
Your kid is metal af
4 year olds, man. They’re ruthless.
Great, so we already have two data points now!
time to interpolate
Insert “I like to extrapolate” meme here
EXPONENTIAL
would that mean your child is a Russian spy?
Not spy necessarily, but ruthless tool of the Russian system.
it’s cause your kids ain’t putin their toys away
From time to time people like to try to bring levity and light to their lives by telling jokes. These jokes can make people smile or laugh and are generally considered as a good thing to make peoples lives better and more bearable.
I hope that helps.
yes, i know, i was doing that. i know how to spell “putting.”
omfglol, do I have egg on my face now
I thought you were autistic and my reply was indeed an attempt at spelling it out for a fellow autiste
fair enough lol no worries
Here’s hoping he had a dead man’s switch that releases tons of kompromat.
Well, Navalny didn’t fall, but Putin attemped to poison him
He didn’t want to birth a martyr
World’s most expected accident victim.
I’m surprised anybody was getting in vehicles with him after the coup attempt.
I know right? Wtf??? I wouldn’t want to be caught dead within 50 square miles of this guy after his coup attempt.
and caught dead, they were
but his tea is amazing. it’s quite hot.
Thank you for flying Prigozihn Airlines. We know you have a choice in airline, and today you chose the wrong one.
Epstein levels of expectation.
He should have gone all the way when he started the mutiny against Putin. He would be dead either way but at least he had the chance to take Hitler’s disciple with him to hell.
Somehow I doubt Russia would have been better off with Prighozhin in charge. I mean he was the one who did Putins dirty work for him.
Their MO is to threaten family members, threaten subordinates family members, etc.
Lotta windows in airplanes.
Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.
Edit: yeah, this is actually what happened, no subtlety here, damn.
Like, fucking literally.
“Crash” my ass, BBC, you say it got shot down in the article, how is that not a more accurate and sensational headline?
“Prigozhin got blown the fuck up, like everyone knew he would the moment he pussed out, the Nazi coward.”
He needed to take Moscow, only chance he had to survive.
Because the only source for that (at present) is the Wagner Group, who have a (dead) dog in the fight and are not bastions of truth. NYT will be trying to confirm it before saying so.
Do they have a dog in this? Last I heard they were getting executed in the field if they showed support for the coup.
So he fell out of a window created by a surface to air missile.
I think we all saw this coming.
Not me, I thought he was going to be overtaken with remorse and bludgeon himself to death from behind in a tragic suicide.
After shooting himself in the back of the head twice, then jumping out the window.
Wtf was he thinking, flying back into Russia after being given an out? 😂
did he ever get out of Russia though?
Welcome to Hotel Russia-onia, you can check out but you can never leave.
Wasn’t he in Belarus recently, threatening to take a large contingent of the Wagner group to “sightsee” in Poland?
he was coming back from africa that day, day before he released a video yelling about something in sahel
before that, after mutiny he was effectively exiled to belarus
The exile was a lie. He constantly flew back and forth, and even attended a summit hosted by Putin.
Where else could he be? The West wouldn’t let him cross, while any ally of Russia would cooperate with Putin. Not that it even has to be an ally after all the assassinations in Europe.
He has more than enough money to escape to south america and never be heard from again.
South American countries are on good terms with Putin, being some of the few that let any Russian enter visa-free. Taking him out would be almost as easy in those countries.
South America is a big place with lots of nooks and crannies and different cultures to hide in and blend with.
I’m sure someone as wealthy as Prigo could’ve lived a very modest lifestyle without ever having to work again and staying incognito for the rest of his days in South America. If South America is really too dangerous (it isn’t) then he also has Asia. There are so many options for rich people it’s insane.
Hey what is the last thing that went thru his mind?
Metal.
Jetfuel
I’m honestly surprised that he lasted this long
I feel like when the attempted coup fizzled out there was a Russia expert who predicted he’s be dead within 90 days. Sounds like that guy was right.
Weirdly enough, it’s exactly two months between the mutiny and his death. Interestingly enough, the invasion started on 24th as well. Weird.
Prigozhin allegedly had a massive influence on 2016 USA elections with his troll farms.
I don’t think Kremlin gave up on the 2024 elections, it’s just now they have Musk.
Yep Putin and Musk are clearly trying to weaponize the stupidity of a little less than half our nation. If Republicans fail to win, Russia and Putin’s special snowflake operation will fail.
Why would Musk work for the Kremlin
Because they would make him feel important. Because they would make him feel cool and nonconformist. He would feel like he’s really making decisions and choosing a path. He would feel in control and ontologically whole. Incidentally these are the same blinding motivations which guide the anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, anti-education anti-healthcare, anti-student loan forgiveness, anti-free school lunch, anti-gun control, anti-immigration, anti-affirmative action, anti-environmental protection, anti-democracy crowd.
The problem with billionaires is the same as those who worship them, which I believe is what endears the latter to the former. They have a very profound hole in their self worth. If you’re a billionaire you probably got to be one by compulsively looking for something to fill that hole, or alternatively you inherited your wealth from someone who has. If you don’t recognize your worth, you don’t recognize your power. If you don’t recognize you power you feel powerless. If you feel powerless, your desperation to control makes you either easy to manipulate or antisocial, or both.
It’s straight out of the Kanye playbook. Just do contrarian things to stay relevant.
He doesn’t need to work for them in any sense of the word, he just needs to be receptive to them enough to endorse some of their ideas and the people will follow
A blind man could have seen that coming.
He survived the last plane crash he was in by boy actually being on the plane. I assume there’s a chance it’s happened again.
Selenskyj was right: Prigozhin will be dead after two months. And he isn’t the only hardliner. I think within the last month six out of ten of the hardest hardliners fell out of the window. Or out of the sky.
Seems like Putin is currently liquidating the hardliners so there will be no negative feed back when he ends his “special operation” in a couple of weeks. Message at home will be: Wow, we did great, nobody objects and the world is in awe! And who disagrees will find an open window to jump through…
Putin is not ending his special operation.
A single party can start a war. Stopping, however, …
One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is “If you’re gonna shoot for the king, don’t miss.”
Man didn’t even miss, he just got scared halfway through
From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men’s families were being threatened. Prigozhin’s family was kept safe, of course, but I don’t think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.
It was just a prank, bro!
Furthermore,
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies
-- Machiavelli in the Prince
Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.
Wait, I’m listening to The Prince in audiobook form. Does that mean I’m an aspiring dictator?
Well, if you are, there might be a job opening in Russia for you soon!
When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
Checklist to become an accident in Russia.
- Windows: checked✅
- Heights: checked✅
- Back: checked✅
- Crony: checked✅
- Potential adversary: checked✅
Good.
He was a fucking dumbass piece of shit who deserves this for not following through on his coup.
This is not surprising at all lmao.
the only surprising thing is that it took so long after mutiny
lemmy get this straight, you think it would somehow have been better for him, instead of Putin, to control Russia? Or am I reading this wrong?
It would have been better if they took each other out or at least if he started enough unrest so russia has take to more military out of ukraine to deal with him
I read it more like “he tried to roll the dice without anteing up”. Who the hell does that? Russia definitely wouldn’t be better with Prig, but it’s a hell of a thing to watch either way.
Took longer than I expected. Hopefully the same thing happens to Putin next.
One thing that can’t happen to Putin is getting assassinated by Putin.
If anyone can manage to assassinate himself, it’s Putin. I believe in him!
The chemicals in his brain will assassinate him.
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