• Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I play games mostly on my Steam Deck after migrating from Xbox. Didn’t want to pay for Internet access to use the Internet I already pay for (Xbox Live).

    Battlefield games like BF1 and BF4 used to run on the Deck about a year ago, but then EA toggled something and disallowed any and all Linux distros. Can’t remember their reasoning, but something something anti-cheat.

    Now me, a paying customer, was fucking pissed. I purchased these games on my Steam Deck to avoid corporate walled gardens like the Xbox, and then EA lock me out of my purchase after the refund period had elapsed. What the fuck???

    So I started dual booting Windows 10 on the Deck to regain access to a product I had paid for. Fucking shit I had to do this in the first place.

    But now I need to enable Secure Boot to play the new shit, and I have no clue how to do this without bricking my Deck. I’m an engineer, but not the software type. I don’t want to fuck around with my gear just to play games.

    Client-side AC is a poor solution to cheating that can be solved with server-side AC.

    Fuck EA. Fuck M$. Fuck all the corporations that want to run spyware on my devices

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    Hm, yeah, it’s something every developer should know; client-side validation of input still needs server-side validation, because client-side is not reliable, no mather what you force on them.

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    Server side anticheats need to be considered. Clientside has been annoying users far too much, and can be bypassed. A combination of both (and I’d like a less intrusive clientside one) would be better

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    Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It’s disgusting, isn’t needed, and just plain isn’t effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it’s just not effective.

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    Your anti-cheat doesn’t work anyway so let me play in linux you cowards.

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    More proof that anti-cheat and bans just isn’t a working approach.

    Almost every cheater I’ve talked to or seen interviewed has said they do it because they like winning. If thats the case, pushing them away isnt getting rid of them, its making them try to win harder, and they are literally spending money to make that happen.

    This means, there is a market for cheaters, one that publishers and devs simply assault instead of realizing they could replace it entirely.

    Create a marketplace in your game for cheats. When a player buys a cheat in game, they can turn it on but only in a specific playlist that cheaters get to play in. You dont need to own or turn on cheats to play in that playlist, in case you feel like challenging yourself, but cheaters can use them as much as they want in that playlist. If a cheater wants to go into cheat free playlist, their cheats get turned off by the game and they have to play like everyone else. Cheat free playlists can have cheat detection, and if you are caught cheating then you get banned from cheat free playlists permanently, but you arent banned from the game or the cheat playlist.

    This deters cheaters from paying third parties for cheats, gives them a space to experiment in, makes money for the company running the game, and reduces the amount of cheaters in regular public lobbies. It also creates a space of challenge for people who don’t cheat, sorta like how people will do no death runs in souls games.

    Sure, it isnt a perfect solution, but its far better than punishing every player with invasive tech, while simultaneously letting a market of cheat sellers thrive. For a bunch of capitalists, its wild they haven’t realized they are missing out on money with cheats.

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    at this point i just wanna cheat the hell out of these crappy games out of spite.

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      7 hours ago

      That’s punishing legit players, not the developers. Not playing this shit is the correct spiteful choice.

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        i already don’t, feels like they need more spite.

        if the players have a bad time they will leave. show them kernel level anticheat doesn’t work and its pointlessly invasive.

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    I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

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      My machine went into a boot loop and I had to clear CMOS to boot again.

      I wonder how many people without the resources to fix a problem like that easily are going to end up without computers for an extended period of time because of this.

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    I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now…

    But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they’re necessary, think they can’t be spoofed.

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      It’s crazy to me that people cheat in online games. You really have to be a huge fucking loser to do this.

      Small pp energy.

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          The cheat developers, yes. Because there is demand. The question though was, why there is demand.

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            There’s demand because there’s supply.

            Build it and they will come.

            We have to ask the question if cheat developing wasn’t profitable, and even if developers actually operated at a loss, would there be as many cheats on the market as there are now?

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        Not sure how you could read this and come away with the idea that I do believe that…

        I am talking about the subset of gamers that go on internet forums and discord servers and make false, unsupported claims as to the effectiveness or necessity or Kernel AC over other forms of AC, tell people this just is how it is now, get with the program, eat the bugs, play the spyware game, its fine, everyone is doing it.

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        Indirectly buyers are making a decision on anticheat. If someone buys a game with anticheat, they’ve made the decision to reward the developer for making the decision to include anticheat.

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    Pretty much the same as all the other modern BFs. They all had cheats in the Beta/early release versions. I’ve played and own literally every BF game since the original release of 1942. Cheats have always been present more or less.

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    So you got the spyware without the benefits, that’s a hell of a surprise isn’t it?

    But thank you for your money suckers!