I see the trailer, I don’t think is the best serie in the world, but I think can be something fun to watch, to nowdays standards that is enough to me really.
I need to watch it to have an opinion, I have the feeling people need to give a chance at least, I did with Voyager despite all the negative critics I saw.
What you think about this?
I’m tired of cameos and fanservice.
Spend less time trying to get us to like it because ‘memba’ and spend the effort on more interesting plotlines.
i can’t wait to watch it but also fuck paramount so i’m torrenting it
Honestly, after Picard and Discovery I’m pretty much done with “New Trek”, I’ve lost my interest. For this I’m not even the target audience - this seems aimed at teens / young adults. And it’s once again produced by Alex Kurzman. So… yeah, I’m gonna give it a pass.
So, why didn’t you like Discovery?
For me, Star Trek was mostly about a possible brighter future. Humanity overcame the issues on earth, no longer relies on money/capitalism, etc. When your watch the crew on TNG, they are acting professionally and with a code of ethics.
Discovery is so miserable. Everyone is angry all the time, there’s racism, lots of unnecessary drama, people acting extremely unprofessionally. Same with Picard. Especially sour about how they made one of the best characters - Q - also very serious and miserable. He could’ve been the comedic relief the series needed, without undermining the rest of the story. The “Picard speeches” are just badly written too, so whimsical and empty.
We have a million dystopian Sci-fi series already, why do we need more? I feel writers are no longer able to tell compelling stories without fake drama. It’s possible to engage with modern day issues in a different way, especially by showing how to be better.
I was hardly the target audience for Lower Decks; in fact, I was a little mad they had made an adult animated Star Trek comedy. However, after watching it, it has become a favorite. Season 1 is a bit difficult to get through, but once you get through that, overall, it’s a show that’s very sincere to what Star Trek is while still being a comedy. And it should have gotten 2 more seasons.
Same with Star Trek: Prodigy: it takes a second, and it’s still technically a kids show, but when it gets there, it’s worth it.
Honestly, I’m half hopeful for the show just because it’s a “We’re going for the {X} demographic” kind of show that sounds a little like a stupid idea that will actually turn out unexpectedly good but get cancelled before its time.
LD and SNW are easily some of the best Trek series.
How would TNG have fared if people dipped out at ep 2?
True, I may not have given SNW the chance it deserved. I’ve watched all 3 seasons of Picard though and almost 2 seasons of Discovery
Ya seen strange new worlds???
I’ve watched the first couple episodes with no expectations, didn’t hate them, didn’t love them… I don’t really know why - just didn’t click with me. Might give it another shot!
It really is a throwback to the TNG days, more story than action but can be dark like DS9
Same for me.
Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?
I see them prioritizing:
- Diversity and political correctness
- Special effects
- Dramatic feel / grandiose feel
…
- Storyline
Kurzman really destroyed trek.
I will see what comes out in the first 3 episodes, but as with discovery, I have extremely little expectations. Discovery ruined new trek for me: still cannot get over the mushroom drive and waterbear providing maps by shocking it with electricity, constantly whispering and whining of the main character, another crybaby destroyed dilithium in the galaxy because he has a ‘connection’… Take your pick
They do have some good casting, like Tig Notaro. Hope there are other good ones as well.
Every time I see a ‘Kurtzman bad’ post, I think about the molesting of female actors that Rick Berman did. I think of the power hungry swings of manipulation he wielded over anyone who tried to leave.
I think of Maurice Hurley, who got McFadden fired on false pretences because she dared to stand up to his sexist shit.
I think of Gene Roddenberry, of his persistent meddling and manipulation. Of his theft of ideas and royalties. Of the fact that he is almost certainly the attempted rapist of the era.
Get the fuck over yourselves. ‘I dont like Kurtzman’s story ideas’ puts him leagues ahead of the literal legacy of sex offenders that ran the show before.
Kurtzman is by all accounts a good person. He is however terrible at making good entertainment and a specially good Startrek.
if you’re posting about diversity being a negative, you’ve totally missed the point of all Star Trek since 1966.
If this is so, your comment makes no sense. If i didn’t have an issue with it in the old trek, why would it be a problem now?
To make it absolutely clear: the problem is the order of priorities - that diversity is no1 and storyline is no99. Not that diversity is there.
For me, trek wasn’t primarily about diversity. It was about space and exploration, ethical dilemmas. By ‘chance’ it happened to have a diverse crew and it was irrelevant who they were.
Now, it’s primarily about diversity, minorities and who is in the team… god forbid we have one minority unrepresented. Space and exploration come not even second, but way down the list.
American society seems to overcompensate with that on TV to offset what is happening in the real world. For example making Cleopatra black.
Connecting this to international companies I used to work for: It was always better in multi-cultural environment. But imagine if you have to hire every nationality just to put a checkbox on some list, regardless of what they know and can do. This is how this trailer feels: forced for no good reason.
It’s not that diversity is a negative. It’s a plus and a core part of Star Trek from the beginning. NuTrek has great diversity and terrible story telling that feels like it’s using the diversity as a crutch.
It’s like Ben and Arthur. I totally support the message that gay marriage should be allowed. However the movie is complete garbage because of how bad the story is told.
Yea, they definitely fucked the phrasing on that one, but I think their point is it’s negative to focus on diversity over the story.
A good story with a focus on diversity and accepting others? Good!
Diversity for the sake of casting a minority actor in a role that’s otherwise squandered and only shown off as a token? Bad!
The positive interpretation is akin to what Warwick Davis meant in his criticism against Snow White: Don’t use minorities as a token, especially a marketing token. If you’re going to do it, make it mean something so they’re not just a token that can be dismissed at will, or even mocked by haters.
It is, in fact, bad to have diversity for diversity’s sake, as far as producing fiction. At least when diversity itself is already established in media in general. This isn’t the 60’s. You’re NOT progressive for simply putting someone with a different skin color or genetic issue on screen.
Yep. Exactly my point.
I doubt that’s what they meant, partly because it really doesn’t seem to apply to either Disco or Picard. Both had their fair share of issues in the writing, but I wouldn’t say tokenism was among them (unless you count Disco’s bury-your-gays moment, but they course corrected on that).
Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?
Why is that a problem? In TOS, Klingons were the enemy, then TNG brought us Worf. In TNG, the Ferengi were the enemy, then in DS9 Nog joined up. Star Trek is all about coming together and overcoming differences.
I see them prioritizing:
- Diversity and political correctness
I wish. They’ve cancelled all the shows with queer representation. SNW has about a hundred relationships going on, all straight. I miss Disco and Lower Decks.
none of those are explicitly evolved and bred by another race to act as their cannon fodder, and kept in-line by psychoactive substances they are genetically engineered to die without.
sure you can argue that they can be fixed by medicine and deprogramming, but it would be a bit like a new star wars film having a battle droid as a jedi padawan
If the Dominion has had any sort of reformation at all over the last several hundred years, I would think that freeing the Jem’Hadar would have been near the top of the “to do” list.
It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.
It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.
I agree, but also… you know if battle droids existed in Star Trek there’d be at least one episode where one of them breaks with its programming and comes to Starfleet seeking asylum. Like the exocomps, or Hugh in “I, Borg”, or even Data getting his day in court to prove his free will. Star Trek wants everyone to be free, whatever they’re made out of.
I’ll take droid rights seriously as soon as Star Wars does. 😂
no that’s fair, they’re more like a clone army.
Did you watch The Bad Batch?
no i gave up on star wars completely in 2017 or so. it just depressed me too much that there always needed to be new things and that everything needed a tie-in.
We’ve seen basically nothing of it other than a short trailer, so it’s way too early for anyone to be deciding whether it’ll be good or not! I’m planning to give it a try, just like I have with every other Trek show so far. If I like it, I’ll continue watching. If I don’t, I won’t!
you extremist
It is a hot take, I know! 😂
It’s the internet. There’s going to be “backlash” regardless.
Though to be honest, people seem pretty high on SFA, both here an in other online spaces I visit.
I think there’s a lot of potential in the concept, and the trailer looked great.
Either way, I’d much rather talk about the show than the people talking about the show.
@ValueSubtracted it’s too early for a backlash. This must be a front-lash.
It’s lashes all the way down.
I’d rather talk about reactions to a show that’s actually happening — even if they are based only on a trailer and pre promotional interviews — than endless hyping, speculation and claims of groundswells of fan enthusiasm about projects that aren’t happening.
Now that it’s no longer the officially sanctioned con, STLV’s panels seem to be set up to encourage producers and actors to hype projects that never even got to the development he’ll’ stage let alone any consideration for being greenlit. These include Tarantino’s bat-sh*t movie idea, Captain Worf, Legacy and the recently revealed Unity proposal.
The first Star Trek that doesn’t receive any backlash is the first Star Trek I’m not interested in.
Eh, it should depend on the nature of the backlash, IMO.
Whining about a black lead? Yea, that’s good backlash to hate on.
Whining that they’ve completely remove the intellectualism of Star Trek in favor of drama, nostalgia, and flashy things on screen? Yea, that’s totally valid backlash, the kind that got us SNW in the first place.
I don’t recall SNW having any significant backlash. Were you not interested in that one?
I dunno’, I kindof agree with a lot of their points. Quippy bantering should be reserved for the extroverted characters when it’s a near constant thing, and not all characters should be extroverts.
The Disneyficiation of Hollywood is totally valid critique. Not every show needs to have Guardians of the Galaxy levels of quippy banter.
Not to say they ruined SNW with it, but it was pretty noticable. The show is leagues better than Disco or Picard in respecting the nature of Star Trek.
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Everything gets a “backlash” on the internet. If it says Star Trek on it, I’m going to at least try it. That easy.
(Disclaimer: Unless it’s absolutely blatantly not Star Trek. And even then I might be curious. Section 31 was difficult.)
Section 31 was perfectly passable as a non Star Trek thing. If it were a random sci-fi movie it had fun moments. As Star Trek? Good lord it was garbage.
@cuchi These franchises sag under their own weight until there’s nothing left. Star Wars is more guilty, pumping out so much content nothing means anything anymore. It’s difficult for me to drop any form of objectivity with it these days… “Do or do not, there is no try.” “Only Sith deal in absolutes.”
Star Trek is on a lower trajectory compared to Star Wars, but neither can escape the gravity of enshittification. Chances are, I’d enjoy this more than the latest Star Wars tripe.
You are talking about Enterprise?
With Star Wars, they didn’t even do the main film franchise well. Episode 7 was okay, but 8 was such hot garbage I read up on why and found out there was no overarching plan for the trilogy, and different directors for each. No wonder they pulled a J.K. Rowling to completely change the rules of their own systems to meet the needs of the (bad) plot, and shit all over their own franchise. Skywalker might as well have been given a Super Time Turner to save the day in 8.
Disney Star Wars films are bad fan fiction, not canon.
I haven’t noticed much backlash, though I’m sure you can find some in the usual discontented corners of the internet. Personally I’m optimistic, but we really don’t have all that much information yet. The trailer mostly sold the tone, but it seemed like the right tone.
It’s the same dumb cycle that’s happened with every new Trek show since TNG (and probably TAS). It’s tiresome, but at least it’s predicable, I guess? Just ignore the obligatory backlash and see how it turns out.
No, no, this time Star Trek will be woke. I can tell by the trailer. It’s never been woke before.
‘Fans’ fundraised to pay for full page advertisements in major US newspapers as a campaign to persuade NBC not to broadcast TAS even after its season one production was almost complete.
I certainly wasn’t expecting it to take place after Discovery, I thought it would be around the same time as Prodigy. I guess restarting the academy after The Burn could be more interesting, either way, I’m looking forward to seeing it.
Ok, I’ll bite. From the trailer, it just looks like another season of Discovery. Same look and feel, same era, many of the same cast members. And since I didn’t care for Discovery, I doubt I will care for this either.
I really wish SkyDance would bring in a new showrunner after this round of Star Trek programs is over.
Ok, I’ll bite. From the trailer, it just looks like another season of Discovery. Same look and feel, same era, many of the same cast members. And since I didn’t care for Discovery, I doubt I will care for this either.
Exactly!
The post apocalyptic Discovery future is just something I couldn’t care less about. It’s not interesting, and this show looks like a direct sequel to it.
They didn’t even change it to an actual Academy, instead also putting it on a spaceship to just keep doing the same kind of thing, but with more excuses for the “younger and edgier” crew. So many alarmbells ringing.
It doesn’t help that I grew up with the Starfleet Academy videogame, and thus that period is forever linked to it.
All I can say about the trailer is that it took me less than five seconds to recognize Holly Hunter once she began to speak. Such a distinctive voice. Even if it sucks, I’m giving it a shot because of her.
