The Torygraph has been pushing a great deal of “PUTIN STRONK, UKRAINE MUST SURRENDER” shite lately. While I would trust the Torygraph about as far as I could throw it, it did arouse my curiousity as to the general mood of Ukraine towards the current round of negotiations.
While I imagine war exhaustion is high - and I’ve certainly read no shortage of accounts of the suffering of the Ukrainian people and their thoughts on the misery and pointless death the Russian invasion has brought about - does anyone have insight as to the general mood of the civilian population in Ukraine at the moment?
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What’s the public mood? It’s a big country and everyone is affected differently. Those who joined army in '22 are drained because there is no end date to their service. Those who found themselves a job that has protection from mobilisation can live more or less normal live, except for sleepless nights due to shahed bombings. Those who are falling into mobilisation group are highly nervous and generally try to avoid going out of home unless needed.
Exhaustion is high, but what’s an alternative? I don’t see the will to accept surrender. And it’s not like trump’s direct negotiations lead to anything, the idiot don’t understand shit about fuck. He thought russia is talking about territory exchange, but they demand unilateral withdrawal. He thought russia wants direct negotiations president-to-president, but it’s not on a table - they suggested to continue Istanbul’s talks, where russia offers capitulation, and the level of their delegation is laughable - you can’t discuss shit with them because they literally are nobody and have no right to discuss serious subjects.
What’s the public mood? It’s a big country and everyone is affected differently. Those who joined army in '22 are drained because there is no end date to their service. Those who found themselves a job that has protection from mobilisation can live more or less normal live, except for sleepless nights due to shahed bombings. Those who are falling into mobilisation group are highly nervous and generally try to avoid going out of home unless needed.
Exhaustion is high, but what’s an alternative? I don’t see the will to accept surrender.
Understandable. Thank you for your insight into the matter.
All my hopes are for an eventual Ukrainian victory leading to a lasting and just peace.
That’s the current rhetoric from the Kremlin, as the cannot wi on the battlefield, and the war seems to have “already” culminated, they’re trying the propaganda tricks “just give it to us bro, it’ll ‘stop the killing’ bro”.
Don’t fall for it, Russia must be kicked out and pay for their war crimes, Slava Ukraine!
Geroyam slava!
(Or, in Ukrainian instead of Russian:
Slava Ukraini
and
Heroiam slava!)
if they break into the cities, people would prepare molotovs. that’s the public mood here.
My understanding is that Ukrainians are extremely aware that Putin does not accept anything less than what amounts to Ukrainian surrender. They understand that the “negotiations” are purely a charade that Putin plays only because if he said aloud that he will fight until Ukraine is under Moscow’s rule, the west would flood Ukraine with weapons.
Because they understand this, they don’t really have an opinion on peace negotiations, as they don’t think there are peace negotiations at all. Just like a movie theatre showing Saving Private Ryan doesn’t mean there’s World War 2 going on in that cinema, a group of people acting that there is a peace negotiation doesn’t mean there is one.
So, the Ukrainian sentiments are those of a people who know there’s a war and that there will be a war until one day the west understands Putin’s goals and floods Ukraine with weapons and support in the way it could have done any day already for over three years and could do today or tomorrow, but will probably wait at least until 2026 first.
