I have 2 e-bikes: a cargo bike, and a folding mountain bike. As per Canadian law they max out at 32km/hr, and can be electric-only or pedal-assist.
Interesting to see differing regulations and enforcement.

  • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zip
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    Honestly can’t blame people for having opinion on (illegal)ebike. We love to blame carbrain for this, but…they also written a book on how to build car and how the driver should act, there’s only like a few pages, if not one, that applicable to cyclist, and ebike adhere to the same rule as bicycle, yet the potential of harm(self or others) is higher than bicycle. Though i’d argue that throttle and a bit higher speed(30kmph) helps, illegal one is essentially a motorcycle that disguised as a bicycle.

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    With regards to the UK regulatory structure for ebikes and where they blur into other categories, it seems that the UK has a “missing middle” situation: there’s nothing legal that is quicker than a 25 kph (15.5 MPH) ebike other than a “S-pedelec”, moped or motorbike, all of which require registration, licensure, and insurance. I’m unreliably informed that insurance is a major impediment in the UK, because of the broad criteria that insurers can use to set rates.

    To that end, I think a regulatory change would be to loosen the burden for “S-pedelecs”. For reference, I say “S-pedelec” to mean a 45 kph (28 MPH) pedal-assist ebike, with a 250 W or 500 W power limit, making these almost comparable to American Class 3 ebikes. In the UK, the insurance requirement should be dropped outright, and the registration requirement reduced to a “plate” requirement, kinda like how California requires mopeds to pay a one-time fee to obtain an identification plate. This would directly address the supposed issue of snatch-and-run incidents using ebikes, and while I don’t agree with the whole surveillance state thing going on in the UK, they’ve already set the precedent for this with the rest of the regulatory system.

    In terms of rider training, I’m not entirely certain what to suggest. By far, the rest of the world has better road education than here in the USA, so I’m reluctant to suggest a “laisse-faire” approach where UK S-pedelec riders need zero qualifications to ride. In California, we are still coming to grips with whether our Class 2 ebikes can be safely ridden by children, premised on the somewhat shaky assumption that they’re as easy to control as an acoustic bike. So with all that said, I could vaguely see changing the requirements so that S pedelec riders need some form of UK license to ride, so at least riders will know the road markings and intersection priorities.

    It is fairly well-documented that American youth – despite being surrounded by unshakable car culture for a thousand miles – are less interested in a driving license than ever, and I imagine the same is true in the UK where driving an automobile is even more expensive and prohibitive. But I would hope that perhaps UK youth have a higher propensity than American youth at pursuing a motorbike license, and then using that to ride a cheap S-pedelec, if the regulatory changes I’ve proposed were to take shape.

    My main gripe is that without a smooth gradient in personal mobility regulatory requirements, there is no cognizable difference between an S-pedelec, moped, or motorcycle today in the UK. There has to be some sort of distinction, or else people will either: 1) decline all options, or 2) ride illegally.

    I harbor no airs that the California regulatory structure is perfect – it dang well isn’t – but at least I can envision plausible two-wheeler scenarios for a 6-year old, a 16-year old, a 26-year old, and a 66-year old, given the breadth of permissible two-wheelers here and how the skills and training stack up. But in the UK right now, there’s a huge chasm between riding an acoustic bike as a child, and then… nothing for young adult transportation.

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    I love the micromobility revolution thats happening right now, but it’s outpacing regulation and that’s not good for anyone.

    Firstly they need to address the laws, because the current rules aren’t suitable.

    Next they need to certify specific products. If your fat bike from temu isn’t certified then it’s not legal.

    Finally they need to test bikes for mods.

    Until all of these things are in place the whole movement will suffer.

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          When kids with freshly unboxed Christmas e-scooters can fly past my ‘legal’ speed e-bike on my way to work, I’m gonna cry BS on my inability to modify my bike to match my pedal cycling speed. If that makes me a ‘menace’ then so be it.

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            I’m surprised I have to point this out but obviously kids flying around on scooters faster than 30km/h is the problem here, not that you can’t keep up with them.

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            10 days ago

            hope your shitty unregulated import off-label lithium ion battery doesn’t burn your flat down, murdering you, your family, and any adjoining neighbors who didn’t deserve to die because of your stupid, silly choices.

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    Just test rode a Class-2 e-bike, maxing out at 20mph. Holy crap, that felt fast. Can’t imagine someone willingly wanting to ride one of those flimsy things any faster.

    Just get a street-legal moped or motorcycle and stay away from bike paths and pedestrians.

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      From what I’ve seen in UK, lots of kids with full face masks zipping around stealing mobiles on the lovely silent electric bikes, don’t even have pedals, no reg nothing. Super convenient. Police does not seem to care, doubt they could catch them either on side walks and grass bits even if they wanted to… Uk is dropping the ball in near enough every aspect as far as your average Steve is concerned.

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    god the whipsaw of idiocy in this article. opens with UNTHINKABLE DANGER!

    One elderly man is injured, badly, leading to his death. But it’s what the daughter’s saying that should be the fucking headline:

    “The government has been far too slow to bring in proper regulations. They should need insurance, and a registration plate, be identifiable.”

    You’re not going to stop the tech from existing; if it exists people will try to get it. Better to legislate rules for it’s safe use then you can go after the lawbreakers.

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      “The government has been far too slow to bring in proper regulations. They should need insurance, and a registration plate, be identifiable.”

      Nah, this justs adds a barrier to entry for people who aren’t total assholes, and does nothing to stop assholes.

      We have insurance, registration, licencing, and VIN numbers for cars. Guess what causes unthinkable danger? Car drivers. And hit-and-runs have become increasingly common.

      The solution won’t be easy without massively affectingly normal people, who want/need a non-car way of getting around.

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        oh yeah don’t need rules regs and enforcement, just fewer assholes

        GOOD LUCK WITH THAT PLAN YOU NUMPTY. If there were a feasible way to reduce world asshole levels we would have crashed that science program like the manhatten project.

        ‘just make fewer assholes’ pfft

        if that was possible I wouldn’t have had to make THIS FUCKING REPLY

        jfc

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          Damn, I think you missed my point.

          You can’t disproportionately impact vulnerable groups of people by setting up artificial barriers for something like an ebike.

          If we’re talking about the supercharged ones, then most places already have laws around those, because they are considered something more than a basic ebike.

          But if none of this is being enforced, you’re just making it easier for assholes and much harder for regular people who just want to get around cheaply and easily.

          And my point still stands: driving causing a significant amount of harm, and those vehicles are being controlled by licenced drivers with vehicle registration and insurance.

          Trying to force the same on micromobility devices is just backwards.

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            One elderly man is injured, badly, leading to his death. But it’s what the daughter’s saying that should be the fucking headline:

            “The government has been far too slow to bring in proper regulations. They should need insurance, and a registration plate, be identifiable.”

            thanks for restating my premise all over. this convo is done.