Biden was certified as what? The winner
Being certified as the winner is not the same as being the winner. There’s nothing contradictory about both claiming Biden was certified and claiming Biden was falsely certified - so this isn’t like the “state’s right to what?” thing, finishing the sentence for them doesn’t change the statement.
It doesn’t need to be a contradiction to be obvious weasel words they’re using to literally avoid saying a few very specific words: “Biden won” or “Trump lost”
That’s a pretty nuanced take. I don’t think Trump can appreciate that level of nuance and would be outraged anyway.
Twitter is just for nazis now, 2020 was NOT rigged but 2024 sure as fuck was
2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves.
As per usual, all the Republicans have to do is accuse the Democrats of it first. Biden even refused to see the law enforced against the Republicans after they tried to end the Republic in all but name and fix elections, including a culmination where he tried to take Congress hostage and personally go down to the Capitol and force those lawmakers to sign away the Republic under an angry mob and his secret service detail.
And then paint that refusal to defend the Republic which is the reason for being of our leaders, as some Noble Act.
Allowing the captured justice department to remain so and fail in their statutory duties. These fucking Democrats are so fucking worthless the party needs all new staffing, from the top spots on down to the lowest spots in the party, they need to raze and burn the whole thing and build up with people that do not suck.
No air support on anything related to the former administration, all because the Republicans projected their own qualities onto Joe biden. How did we, the people that want reform and refuse to be ass fucked by the rich without our consent, turn into the party of weakness? I want to change that.
This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you’re doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process…
Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it’s true.
They were gaslit into accepting 2024 no matter what
More of a queeflit situation. And or quafflit.
2020 was rigged – for Trump. That’s why Trump was so convinced that he should have won.
There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning.
And despite Democrats controlling the executive branch there were allowed to not only get away with trying to steal the election but to gain access to the inner workings of all the voting machines and software, sent death threats to all voting officials in swing states without fucking consequence, literally a handful of prosecutions despite hundreds over the legal line as detailed by Reuters investigations, like what the fuck good does it do getting a democrat in there? A lot of people stuck their necks out to protect democracy and we’re left as the military would say with their ass hanging in the breeze.
Under Fire by Republicans and not protected by democrats.
Yeah that makes a ton of sense. He didn’t cheat, he lied about losing. The “protections” that kept him from winning is our normal electoral process.
I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Means motive and opportunity. They cheated. They cheat in every way they can. There’s not enough time in the day to catalog all the where is.
Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn’t raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Democrats were gaslit into going along with it
OR there’s no evidence of any fraud that could’ve possibly overturned the election.
I used to think my “side” was smarter than Trump supporters. Not anymore.
Since democrats didn’t raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Or you’re lying or any abnormalities are explainable or they were too insignificant to make a difference.
You sound exactly like Trump supporters in 2020. You have legitimized their anti-democracy bullshit. Way to use your head.
I think there are LOT of people who are feeling pretty stupid about stubbornly refusing to vote in November that are now desperately looking for something to blame other than themselves.
Why would you call them a liar for relaying what some data scientists supposedly thought, then conceding that we won’t know whether they’re right because the people who could have had it investigated didn’t do so?
You misread it. I absolutely do not support trump or his administrations agenda. I’m in Canada. But was replying to the guy that asked about the voting fraud people were talking about
Okay this is what I’ve gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump’s history, his many statements while campaigning it’s not hard to believe there wasn’t cheating but if it’s this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven’t been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it’s a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris’s votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin’s votes. Again I haven’t looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn’t matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren’t pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don’t think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I’d be curious just to know but I’m also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it’s not an exclusive list.
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I’ve seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the “for you” feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It’s quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far.
There’s no doubt that social media has been weaponized to affect people’s opinion. That is not the same as “rigging an election”.
That’s happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what’s seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
Is it really a thing? I don’t mean defederation, do threadiverse instances use custom algorithms to provide content to users custom-tailored to them?
Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020.
We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.
1000% agree, paper ballots only, no more electronic tallying.
If we do electronic voting, it needs to be FOSS and cryptographically signed. And even then I don’t think I want it.
Even being FOSS and cryptographically signed is just partial solution, frankly.
Even if the software is FOSS and publicly reviewed, that doesn’t ensure it’s what is actually running on the hardware, or that the hardware can be trusted. The whole system needs comprehensive open design and review - and it gets complicated fast.
Throwing cryptography at voting creates some intriguing complications with interesting solutions, what with the usual voting system requirements (separation of voter identity from ballots, while still allowing the voter to verify the ballot was received correctly, is a huge problem).
And there’s always someone going “WhY wE dOn’t jUst uSe bLoCkChAiN” as if that magically solves all of the problems 🤦🏻♀️
Right, the hardware is the problem. If we do some software solution, it’ll be through a web browser or app, both controlled and developed by some independent group (to prevemt bias from the current admin) monitored by the government and released as FOSS. It would do challenge-based tamper protection on launch and submission of the vote, and you could use a separate, government-produced verification website to check your vote.
Even with all that, I still think we should stick with paper ballots. However, if we absolutely need something digital, that’s less bad than the current voting machine system.
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They’re looking to overturn those peoples’ convictions.
I’m sure there is more that I’m leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that’s rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
We lost because we didn’t vote. End of story. All of this “fraud” non-sense is absolutely pathetic and just an excuse for the stubborn who didn’t vote against Trump.
Not enough of us voted, certainly, but they have been slowly marginalizing and dividing us for decades. It’s disingenuous to discount that as a major factor. While other countries have made voting day a holiday and bolstered the abilities and required voting, Republicans have worked against voters to create a specific outcome.
A walk is much harder when it’s uphill and the wind is against you.
Gerrymandering doesn’t effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don’t matter). I’ve seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That’s fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we’re in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing.
Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold.
Yeah, it was “a lot of little things” when Biden “stole” the election too…
So goddamn embarrassing.
A lot of them have been decades in the making. Horrible.
There are several lawsuits that allege massive discrepancies in down ballot races in counties all over the USA
No, there are a couple making accusations in states that Harris won.
You sound exactly like a Trump supporter.
Yea. And there were several lawsuits in 2020 all over the USA that alleged massive discrepancies too. They were all eventually tossed for lack of evidence.
Oh but those were different right? You couldn’t possibly be falling for the exact same BS right wing idiots did, right? Holding on to some pathetic hope that things didn’t happen the way you saw them, and that any day a judge will make a ruling that completely invalidates the whole presidency and makes all your dreams come true. That can’t be the case, because you’re too smart to fall for that. So it absolutely must be different this time.
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391
The lawsuits in 2020 were filed by Trump and were baseless, this is why they were thrown out.
The lawsuit in the link above (I’ll explain it to you cause you don’t seem like a “reader”) has been allowed to proceed to discovery by the NY Supreme Court. Discovery is a neat part of a lawsuit where people gather and present cool things called “evidence”
In New York state, which HARRIS WON. Making it unbelievably obvious that any “fraud” did not help Trump.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? How can you not see the damage you’re doing?
Fuck off, nazi
It’s a single county in New York state lmao. That’s some weapons-grade copium.
It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name’s of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.
HARRIS WON NEW YORK.
So… fucking… stupid.
So you don’t care about the integrity of our elections then. Good to know.
Add it to the pile. I wasn’t mentioning the machine tampering because it isnt proven. Below is what I am talking about:
https://azmirror.com/briefs/man-arrested-for-phoenix-mailbox-fire-that-damaged-early-ballots/
None that’s been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don’t take it seriously. Same as last time.
That’s a single county in one state which Harris already won, and the expert that they consulted said
In any case, it does not appear that any of these inconsistencies would be sufficient to change the outcomes of any of the elections in question in New York state.
If you actually read the article, the goal of the lawsuit is not to overturn the results of the 2024 election, cause democrats aren’t like you. The goal of the lawsuit, limited to one county in NY state, is to uncover what irregularities there were in the tallying of votes in that one county in NY, cause if it’s as bad as the lawsuit alleges, then the voting machines themselves were tampered with. But you don’t care about that as long as the cheaters are on your side of the aisle
“Election analysts have pointed to statistical anomalies that emerged in Democratic-leaning areas. In several precincts, reports suggest Kamala Harris’s name may have been missing from the top of the ballot, while other Democratic candidates received strong support. Some districts reportedly recorded zero votes for Harris, despite voter turnout favoring Democrats in other races.
In contrast, Donald Trump’s vote totals reportedly exceeded those of Republican Senate candidates by hundreds of thousands of votes in certain counties. Experts have noted that such a discrepancy is highly unusual, as presidential and Senate candidates typically perform within similar margins, particularly in partisan strongholds.”
Yes thank you.
Don’t thank him. Harris won New York. So how did Trump “cheat” in a way that affected the election?
This was presented before a judge, in the NY Supreme Court, and it has proceeded to discovery, as allowed by the judge
There’s a big difference between a judge saying you can proceed to Discovery and you getting up in front of a judge and swearing to tell the truth or face perjury charges. That’s the bar. That’s when all those lawsuits in 2020 failed. Because none of them would risk being disbarred or jailed. Once you get to that point I’ll start giving more credence. But I wish them the best of luck in Discovery.
Well almost zero of Trumps 2020 election lawsuits met even the low bar of proceeding to discovery, and were dismissed outright, including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed after a hearing on the merits. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election) So when you said, “presented before a judge” I took you at your word. What you should have said was “proceeded to trial” because that’s when you do all the swearing in. Or depositions- but that’s part of discovery, which this suit about the 2024 election is already in, so technically if there are any depositions taken, people are already swearing oath right now. So I guess by either definition this trial is one to take seriously.
I don’t mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
You sound like a normal, sane person. Not a cunt. There is nothing more embarrassing than seeing massive dumbasses on my side do EXACTLY THE SAME THING they did in 2020. It’s just fucking pathetic.
Racism and sexism? Not Gaza?
Anyone who refused to vote against Trump over Gaza is either 1.) unbelievably stupid or 2.) doesn’t actually give a fuck about Palestinians and just performative self-centered assholes.
Our elections don’t allow voting against, only voting for.
A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war…
Yeah, you’re right. There’s no way she could’ve lost. It must’ve been rigged!
Exactly! When asked what she would’ve done differently vs Biden, she said “nothing.” That doesn’t really motivate people to get out and vote for her.
At least she didn’t want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that’s ignored, right?
AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It’s irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn’t switch to Trump. They just didn’t vote.
This guy gets it
Edit, I was being sarcastic
100%
Do yourself a favor and don’t click through.
X is worse than YouTube comments were a decade ago. Just a total cesspool.
Its a nazi site
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Surprised more nominees don’t come out swinging. “The election of 2020 had sever irregularities consistent with the high rate of mail in voting and we all know Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster so what won’t these people do to undermine democracy? Follow the clues! WWG1WGA!!”
“CHARLIE KIRK IS LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST”
Shouldn’t he have come back to life by now?
