• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    Zelensky dragged his country into a horrific war and Ukraine is now losing massive amounts of territory as a result. If that’s your idea of effective leadership you seriously need to get your head checked.

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        2 years ago

        One would think that’s pretty obvious. He should have abandoned NATO ambitions, implemented Minsk agreements and agreed to neutrality.

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          Why abandon NATO ambition ? It is a defensive alliance that he seems to need, given the fact his country had alredy been attacked by Russia

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            NATO is not a defensive alliance. It’s been involved in constant war and expansion for the past 30 years. Plenty of western experts have explained in long detail why Ukrainian ambitions to join NATO would lead to this. For example, here’s what Chomsky had to say on the issue recently:

            https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

            https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

            50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

            George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.

            Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"

            Academics, such as John Mearsheimer, gave talks explaining why NATO actions would ultimately lead to conflict this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

            These and many other voices were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.