thats fine and thats the exact usecase for arch install. This meme is for people who never install it once manually and use archinstall to get a working configured system.

Ok im sold, how do build my life around this mystical thing?

Yeah there are some fields where thats the case sure. From what i’ve seen in online discussion the studies very rarely support the claims being made. Even if the research supports the claim, studies tend not to make bold assertions and strong claims like people arguing online tend to do.

The linux kernel has good support for server hardware like, drive controllers, network cards, etc but bad support for things like touchpad, bluetooth, fingerprint readers, cameras, nfc readers, wifi cards, power controllers.

There are a small handful of laptop devices that have “full driver support” and these are still a 3rd party managing the linux drivers framework, system 76, lenovo. This is usually fixing issues as they arise instead of releasing fixes and patches before the disclosed issues go public. That makes them really hard to support in a secure environment.

If there are majority of devices then give me one machine thats not a framework or system 76 laptop and we can look at the device drivers.

This is such a stupid argument I cant believe you’re even trying to make the case. I’ll pick a common enterprise device the HP zbook firefly. NXP NFC NPC300 Proximity Driver - Its had 5 OEM driver updates in the past 4 years on windows. Meanwhile the NXP linux_libnfc-nci repo which is NXP’s OEM repo is wildly out of date and looks borderline dead. I checked the kernel tree and there are “common” patches under drivers/nfc/nxp-nci that include support for the NPC300 but these dont match up with the patches that are released for windows and dont seem to be specific fixes to address CVE issues.

Lets go less specific and take a look at fwupd for the zbook https://fwupd.org/lvfs/hsireports/device?host_vendor=HP&host_family=103C_5336AN+HP+ZBook&host_product=HP+ZBook+Firefly+14+G7+Mobile+Workstation

Here we can see the tests that fwupd has done to verify the device firmware. As you can see its missing a lot of functionality. This is a linux supported device apparently. If its missing this much I can only imagine how bad other devices are. Keep in mind this is only checking the working functionality and is not checking to see if the patches are up to date to protect against the latest CVEs. On windows HP has released 22 patches in the last 5 years with the latest patch containing fixes for 12 CVEs. Meanwhile on linux im not sure if HP has even released a single complete patch for this device let alone constant updates to fix the CVEs.

I’m currently working on getting our device fleet in order for EU Gov contract compliance and a fleet of these devices would instantly disqualify us. I love linux but we have work to do and being ignorant to the issues doesnt help anything.

If I accepted that to be true, then no one can lead the country and its cooked. There are plenty of capitalist economies with low corruption.

Please go on any distro fourm to the support section and tell me how many threads have hardware related issues. Majority of these are due to non-existent/unsupported drivers.

One guy hacking together a device driver to upstream is not the same as the manufacturer supporting it with regular updates. Windows gets driver updates seemingly every week and linux is lucky to get a 2nd update or even a first.

No, im a linux user and I love linux. But it doesnt help anything to pretend it isnt flawed.

Sometimes people will make a broad statement then link a study that supports it and act like boom that makes it a fact. No it doesnt. A study supporting your statement helps support your argument but it doesnt make it a fact. The real world is extremely complex and there are so many factors that can make something true in one place,space or moment in time and worng in another.

It’s ironic that the only comment in this thread suggesting government action is your response.

Because this thread has nothing to do with government? The topic is windows losing customers.

The only thing Lemmy truly hates, is a nuanced opinion.

I completely agree. People here are outliers in ideas and passion. But upvotes and downvotes mean nothing here so its fine.

On the server side I can agree, but linux does not get device drivers for majority of hardware let alone regular device driver updates. That fact alone makes the entire company un-compliant in many industries.

You could get an entire fleet of linux supported laptops and get then compliance becomes easier to manage since the software on linux lends well to sys admin fleet control. You would have to push patches weekly to the fleet which would result in a ton of random user bugs.

we can have all the “good” things we claim to want from other economic systems within capitalism. It just requires voting for politicians that do their job to progress laws forward instead of dragging their feet.

It’s odd that Lemmy directs its anger at an individual company, while they’re all guilty of the same practices, instead of towards their government representatives who are actually able to take action against it.

What? Lemmy fucken hates the government dude. People here absolutely rail against the government to take action against these practices and companies.

I log into a windows 10 server and see system notifications ads pop up. Here is an example of one i’ve seen several times across multiple windows 10/11 boxes.

if the options are build a new pc or try out linux you’ve really got nothing to lose giving linux a go.

friendship ended with npu chips now ad-processing-unit chips are my best friend.

Strap a minisfourm pc and battery pack to your back, run a usb cable up to your AR glasses. Strap a Svalboard to each hand and run the cables up your arms. Easy problem solved.

How do you manage a fleet of linux devices and stay up to date with compliance?

To me the phone is such a perfect device but it fails to reach its potential. When i think about a computer in my pocket, I want a computer that I can hack around with and use. My two main issues with phones are their software is awful, its locked down and its to simplified and the other issue is input devices for mobile leave a lot to be desired. I dream of AR glasses and a dataglove on each hand.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.