There is no chance democrats will win any elections as long as people like yourself keep shitting on them. More democratic voters will stay home or vote republican or 3rd party and the GOP will get more power and our lives will get worse.
The way so many people are shitting on democrats the GOP will keep growing in power even if they weren’t fascists.
Sounds like youve never heard of FUD
They won 3 of the last 5 elections. But as long as people like yourself keep shitting on them the GOP will keep growing in power.
They tried. Claiming they didn’t is the sowing apathy thing that I was referring to. Too many people shitting on every little thing the Democratic Party does even when that leads to Trump being in power.
This is the obvious answer. Biden treated the situation as if his son would be treated the same as any other citizen. Instead they threw the book at him because he was the presidents son.
Why trust the system that lets Trump off the hook.
Biden isn’t in charge of the DOJ…
They way apathy is being sowed for democrats there is no chance we will have anyone but GOP in power.
Too many people sowing apathy for the Democratic Party. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. There may be no going back now.
The problem with their actual campaign promises is they weren’t always self-evident to the average person why they were the things they’d want, which you touched on. “How does taxing billionaires deal with greedflation? I don’t smoke weed—why should I care about that? Why are my groceries so damn expensive, now‽ I remember when gas was cheap. What were the promises, again?”
I agree that the issue they had is their campaign promises weren’t self evident to the average person. It seems they had to choose to either A) give all of America an economics lesson so they understand their goals, or B) lie like the GOP does and make up a scapegoat to blame inflation on. A) isn’t feasible and B) makes them look untrustworthy to anyone who understands the situation enough to see they are scapegoating.
I think the real problem the Democratic Party faces is beating the GOP without becoming the GOP. There’s a lot of voices online pushing for Biden to execute Trump and do things that we would only expect Trump/GOP to do. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out those voices are bad actors trying to normalize Trumps behavior.
People want change, they know things are broken, and they voted upon that vibe which gave Republicans a three branch majority.
In the context of the 2024 election, the change voters wanted was cheaper cost of living.
Democrats were mainly only running on the idea of, “Vote for us, because Trump is going to be terrible,”
I see this sentiment a lot on lemmy also and it isn’t my experience irl. Democrats campaigned on taxing billionaires, addressing cost of living for the working class and rescheduling marijuana to name a few things.
Unfortunately all the inflation happened under Bidens term so it was easy to convince voters that progressive policies from Democrats were to blame for inflation. And that is still what a lot of voters think.
but that’s the fault of Democrats for not conveying to the public why people should want that over “change”
That’s not a message anyone would use during a campaign because it can easily be spun against them by the opposition. I don’t fault democrats for not sending that message. That just seems like common sense.
No it seemed like a reasonable response to someone that is demonizing a group for acting in a universal way. I wasn’t doing that though I was pointing out that OP was so context matters.
I would also like our politicians to be more progressive but I can understand why politicians try to be moderate. I live in a blue part of a red state and everyone I know has a mixed ideology. A progressive politician wouldn’t stand a chance of winning in my part of the country.
Also, with all the money that is now in politics because of citizens united it becomes much more difficult for someone to win when they are open about fixing income inequality. For that reason, I don’t think Bernie would stand a chance. I think a Trojan horse approach would work better.
I’m not an optimist but I’m confident that Trump won because of the inflation experienced during Biden’s term as a result of the pandemic. I’m hoping Trumps tariffs make things worse or there’s another crisis like the pandemic and it causes more people to vote blue next election the same way the pandemic got Biden elected.
I see that same sentiment on lemmy.ml a lot. Where they repeat Russian talking points about Ukraine.
Right, so, TL;DR
So you admit you don’t read posts that prove you wrong and just base your response on emotions and assumptions.
[On first encounter, “Pocahontas’” tribe captured Smith in December 1607 while he was exploring. Powhatan (Pocahontas’ father) was attempting to bring Smith and the other colonists under his own authority to keep Smith and his men “nearby and better under control”.
His capture included the threat of his own death: "at the minute of my execution, she hazarded the beating out of her own brains to save mine. He explained that he was captured and taken to the paramount chief where “two great stones were brought before Powhatan: then as many as could layd hands on him [Smith], dragged him to them, and thereon laid his head, and being ready with their clubs, to beate out his braines, Pocahontas the Kings dearest daughter, when no intreaty could prevaile, got his head in her armes, and laid her owne upon his to save him from death.”
In late 1609, an injury from a gunpowder explosion forced Smith to return to England for medical care and the colonists told the Powhatans that he was dead. Pocahontas believed that account and stopped visiting Jamestown but learned that Smith was living in England when she traveled there with her husband John Rolfe.
Pocahontas’ capture occurred in the context of the First Anglo-Powhatan War, a conflict between the Jamestown settlers and the Natives which began late in the summer of 1609.
In the first years of war, the colonists took control of the James River, both at its mouth and at the falls. In the meantime, Captain Samuel Argall pursued contacts with Native tribes in the northern portion of Powhatan’s paramount chiefdom. The Patawomecks lived on the Potomac River and were not always loyal to Powhatan, and living with them was Henry Spelman, a young English interpreter. In March 1613, Argall learned that Pocahontas was visiting the Patawomeck village of Passapatanzy and living under the protection of the weroance Iopassus (also known as Japazaws).
With Spelman’s help translating, Argall pressured Iopassus to assist in Pocahontas’ capture by promising an alliance with the colonists against the Powhatans.[31] Iopassus, with the help of his wives, tricked Pocahontas into boarding Argall’s ship and held her for ransom, demanding the release of colonial prisoners held by her father and the return of various stolen weapons and tools.[32]Powhatan returned the prisoners but failed to satisfy the colonists with the number of weapons and tools that he returned. A long standoff ensued, during which the colonists kept Pocahontas captive.
In March 1614, the stand-off escalated to a violent confrontation between hundreds of colonists and Powhatan men on the Pamunkey River, and the colonists encountered a group of senior Native leaders at Powhatan’s capital of Matchcot. The colonists allowed Pocahontas to talk to her tribe when Powhatan arrived, and she reportedly rebuked him for valuing her “less than old swords, pieces, or axes”. She said that she preferred to live with the colonists “who loved her”.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas#:~:text=Pocahontas was the daughter of,was probably of lowly status.)
So far, the only argument against this you’ve been able to present is that Russia has trolls and billionaires exist.
The facts I stated did more than prove they exists. The facts I stated prove they influenced they outcome of the election.
Your claim was that if I can’t quantify the exact amount of votes that Russian bots and billionaires were able to influence, you get to claim Trumps wins were strictly because he had a grassroots campaign.
You’re claiming a Sanders campaign could never stand up to the money and influence of the billionaire class, and it’s you claiming all the evidence of Trump doing exactly that doesn’t count.
I pointed out the fact that Sanders couldn’t win a primary without the added difficulty of funding a campaign.
That’s not a claim that’s a fact.
And while I neversaid Russian interference didn’t affect the election, you’rethe one claiming that it was so influential that it invalidated the grassroots nature of Trump’s campaign.
You’re the one claiming that Trump won because of a grassroots campaign without any evidence to support that. How can you verify a grassroots campaign is sole reason Trump won when there are Russian bots using social media accounts to tip the scales in his favor?
That’s called confirmation bias. You’ve provided no evidence of the claims you’ve made. While I have only stated facts.
What democrats do does matter. That’s why we shouldn’t do the GOPs job for them by sowing apathy for democrats. Because that leads to the GOP gaining power. That’s why FUD exists.