Self hosting is best if you have the knowhow, inclination and time to maintain it, but there are alias services that will encrypt any mail they forward using a key you provided so this would eliminate the ability of your chosen non-self-hosted email provider/server to easily read your received mail limiting their ability to profile or target to any metadata and header info that is passed along unencrypted.

Of course, then you are placing trust in the alias service’s privacy and logging policies. But some are open source and you could host an alias forwarding service yourself if you wished as well.

eatthecake, they clearly need you on the marketing team, stat.

Nice post c0mmando, thanks!

You’ll find no honor amongst state actors, whatever colors of flags they fly.

Opt out where you can and let the evil empire crumble under the weight of its own mistakes. Cornered beasts will lash out hard, so don’t go for the killing blow, just let the empire die somewhere in the woods frok its self inflicted wounds and then peace-loving people can step into the void and build a better world.

In the meantime, do what you can to love those around you who you care for, promote liberty, support the innocents working for better change through peace, privacy, rights, speech, technology and so forth.

People need to stop falling for marketing gimmicks. It’s almost to the point where the inverse of what is marketed is what you get in the product or service from the big corps these days.

Just made a post about this in Privacy. Upvote and comment here to spread the word.

For those in the thread who say it is hard not to go back for specific content, if you want to go back to browse but limit the ad revenue and clicks, you can still reach it with some front ends like teddit.

Here is a good link: http://farside.link/teddit.com

Or, for example, you can directly access subreddits by appending /r/yoursubreddit to the end http://farside.link/teddit.com/r/memes

Sometimes an instance will be down. If so, try it again in a few minutes or in a new browser or tab or clear the cache so another loads.

Sorry to anyone who sees my multiple duplicates on this thread, but most only get notification of direct replies.

I’ll copy/paste a comment I made above again here in case it helps

If you find you want to go back to browse but limit the ad revenue, you can still reach it with some front ends like teddit.

Here is a good link: http://farside.link/teddit.com

Or, for example, you can directly access subreddits by appending /r/yoursubreddit to the end http://farside.link/teddit.com/r/memes

Sometimes an instance will be down. If so, try it again in a few minutes or in a new browser or tab so another loads.

https://farside.link/teddit.com

http://farside.link/teddit.com

I’ll copy/paste a comment I made above again here in case it helps

If you find you want to go back to browse but limit the ad revenue, you can still reach it with some front ends like teddit.

Here is a good link: http://farside.link/teddit.com

Or, for example, you can directly access subreddits by appending /r/yoursubreddit to the end http://farside.link/teddit.com/r/memes

Sometimes an instance will be down. If so, try it again in a few minutes or in a new browser or tab so another loads.

If you find you want to go back to browse but limit the ad revenue, you can still reach it with some front ends like teddit.

Here is a good link: http://farside.link/teddit.com

Or, for example, you can directly access subreddits by appending /r/yoursubreddit to the end http://farside.link/teddit.com/r/memes

Sometimes an instance will be down. If so, try it again in a few minutes or in a new browser or tab.

Good points and makes sense to me. Thanks.

I know we are discussing it. I appreciate the discussion! You have been civil and a good conversationalist presenting your views with thoughtfulness so far. That’s rare on the socials sometimes.

I mean to drive at the manner of how you would accomplish your stated goals above. By voluntary enrollment of those interested who may agree with your approach? With the ability for those like myself who may live near you and who feel, think, believe and act differently to opt-out? Or by compulsory taxation, or other compulsory inclusion of my family in these services you pitch, with penalty of financial, legal, or violent force? For instance, no ability to peacefully remain in my location of birth and/or circumstance, but to opt out and to choose my own path AND choose not to pay for or participate in your scheme should I choose not to. Would that be acceptable?

I hope you can see the parallels I’m drawing to most regions in the world. I am compelled now to submit property tax and other tax for a similar model to what you describe above against my will, under threats, leading up to and including death, should I refuse to pay them, even if I choose not to participate in my neighbors preferred model. So thus under duress and extortion.

In this scenario, you (my neighbors) would not threaten me or use violence directly of course, but instead would use proxies with more manpower and weapons plus the false cloak of legitimacy or law to do it, which is cowardly and unjust. Beurocratic, legal and police action, again, up to and including violence, imprisonment and death force me to to comply to something I disagree with philosophically, morally, spiritually and logically. Today. Not hypothetically.

So what I’m saying is that I’m more than happy for you and yours to do things your way, even if I chose a different way. I wouldn’t compel you to fund or support my way. I would request you afford me the same courtesy and we could coexist in harmony, or at least not conflict, even if we disagree on approach.

This is not how the vast majority of modern society functions today. Which is why I’m curious about how you would approach your hypothetical model.

edit: spelling, clarity, fat fingers

Thank you for providing some info for discussion MagneticFusion.

I am fine with you disagreeing and forging your own path. I mean that sincerely. I would like to follow mine. We can each see how it works out.

Just please don’t force me to support your approach, financially or otherwise, by using the state/gov or others as a proxy for your personal wishes, and I will agree to the same, as I already do.

Edit: Also, do not use those same levers of power to form a cartel that excludes my family, or those who choose to do it this way from participating in public life. We can all get along with tolerance and respect, despite our differences.

Upvote for the civil discourse and laying out your reasoning.

Nice. Great discussion all. Thanks.

Me too, but good to know I can check that at F-Droid and then fetch from source if I want. Best of both.

Thanks!