shoutout (the) Gnorp Apologue

one of, it not the only, idle-roguelike out there

also the longer it goes the more colours are on screen the prettier it gets which is

died 1883

born 1988

welcome back karl marx

Hey, look I don’t want to argue either - but I do have to let you know at this point, I have played POE1, bounced off it multiple times, have completed the campaign but haven’t gone back since. POE2 kind of is what’s gotten me back to paying Path of Exile, and while I appreciate the invite I don’t really think it’s going to sway me in the way you believe it will. But still, appreciate the offer and understand where you’re trying to come from - but again, it’s the assumption that I haven’t played something better being the only reason why I don’t necessarily have the same views you do, which I think you can see has not been a fair assumption this entire time.

At no point have I said you’re not allowed to feel upset. I admit I got curt with my last comment, but my points still stand - that in order to voice your disappointment, you’ve not only pulled in arguments about how the devs are lying (because they’ve moved back their initial plan of February, and then communicated that), but also arguments about whether POE2 ‘deserves’ to be called Path of Exile, treated the game like it’s stealing valour, and talked about how anyone who doesn’t see things the way you see things are at best ill-informed and at worst ignorant about their own tastes. I haven’t said anything about whether it’s allowed to be your favourite game, nor have I said anything to ‘police’ how you feel beyond pointing out that while I understand being upset, maybe it’s worth at least examining why all these peripheral points about other players comes into this for you.

It really follows the same line of thinking that seems to have become prevalent once again in the gamer space, that any time not spent on my particular thing is actively harmful to the thing I like - and not to put words into your mouth, but it really does feel like the end goal of an argument as presented here is that all the people who currently like POE2 decide one day ‘oh POE2 isn’t good’, all move back to POE1, and GGG falls over and relents and POE2 is treated like some bad dream - which is also why I believe it’s very ‘Customer is always right’ thinking. No other type of media gets this much push back or draws this much ire should something change between announcement and release, let alone a change that feels entirely reasonable, even if disappointing.

As for POE 2 being in Early Access as you said. During the Early Access announcement, GGG said that POE 2 will complete Early Access within 6 months to 1 year of the initial release. It has been 2 months since. We don’t even have a date or any information for Patch 0.2. At the current rate of development, do you think that Early Access will be completed within 6 months?

you and I are literally not on the dev team, have no insight into progress beyond what the dev team say, and neither of us have ever made or released a game or a project of this size (unless hexbear is hiding some dark horses somewhere). Neither of us can answer this question with any amount of certainty.

So they’re going to start working on POE 1 again in March? Does that mean 3.26 will be released in summer 2025? Two or three POE 1 expansion cycles have been missed in that time period.

And?

The people who enjoy ramen made at the ramen shop are upset because the quality of cup ramen does not match the ramen shop experience. The people who only have had cup ramen don’t really care because they never tried it before.

and then the people who really liked the ramen shop write screeds to the shop, nail theses to their door about how they’re fraudsters and liars, and of course completely ignore that the shop owners said they’re opening up again soon and just asking for some patience - it’s a very normal thing that happens

I did not say that people who don’t like POE 2 don’t like it.

They only like the game because 2 is a bigger number than 1 and they never tried the other game.

you’re right, you didn’t say they didn’t like POE2, you just said they only like the game because the number is bigger, not because of the game itself, my apologies.

attitudes like this are why I genuinely believe gamers are the last bastion of ‘The Customer is always Right’

Path of Exile 2 is a completely different game and honestly unworthy of the name. GGG should have named it something else. Most of the people who say that they like Path of Exile 2 are people who have never played Path of Exile 1. They only like the game because 2 is a bigger number than 1 and they never tried the other game. POE 2 stole the name cred and produced something that was much worse.

man why is every post about POE2 from POE1 vets like this. Every single one has to make it so anyone who likes POE2 doesn’t ACTUALLY like it, they’re just lying to themselves and to everyone else for fun i guess

let alone the fucking melodrama of ‘being unworthy of the name’ and it ‘stealing credit’. i guess even hexbear isn’t safe from brainworms if the game has enough skinner boxes in it

The whole franchise is basically over. The core POE 1 fan base is incompatible with POE 2 and the POE 2 fan base won’t stick around once they see what is to come. Everything was gutted for short term profits.

please i beg you to go outside. you’ve written an entire screed about how the only rational position is your own with no self-awareness while pretending anyone else is blind and too ignorant to have your superior taste for video games, let alone the fact you’re speaking like they’re literally taking the first game out back and putting a bullet in it when they’re merely pausing dev for a bit to focus on POE2 - you know, to fix the fact that its ‘not even a complete game’, considering it’s early access

i don’t want to seem like I’m completely reading into a stranger too much, but i think you really need to take a step back and contemplate why you’re posting in exact parallel to the way reddit is also talking about POE1 vs POE2, maybe you’re too bought in to have any other take than gamer rage

i mean, they’re still being used they’re just not minecraft style blocks anymore

enshrouded from last year is pretty popular, and entirely voxel based but looks very pretty (imo)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1203620/Enshrouded/

repetitive strain injury - i was getting constant wrist and hand pain for a while cos of all the clicking, i had to take a break to give my hand time to recover

i really enjoyed playing at launch but a week of straight playing left me with RSI lowkey lmao

i think i need to figure out how to get used to controller input

i get the joke but at the same time, whenever this sort of joke happens in reaction to chuds I can’t help but feel like it misses the mark cos they’d actually prefer something like this - if for nothing else than because it denies a woman of colour from having a leading role. Like if we’re being real, sexy is just code for white and thin, emphasis on the white in a case like this

from memory, I ended up dropping off just before Railjacks came in, but I remember that being teased

sounds like maybe i ought to jump back in for a bit :)

tbh i am looking for a game to hyperfixate on in my spare time, so a lot of good game doesn’t sound too bad haha

its not like they walked home empty handed, they did win two awards outside GOTY - bro really was saving his ‘good’ speech assuming they were taking GOTY lmao

thanks :)) actually just beat act 3 with my sorc yesterday, but I’m rolling a new char now to try something different :)

started playing both Ultrakill and Fields of Mistria, which feels like two completely opposite ends of the spectrum lmao

reckon that will carry over to PoE2? or do you think I’ll be able to basically route around the dev intent for the class designs?

how much do you reckon classes matter then? Shame that there really isn’t that much variety in the fem body types, but if classes are loose then i suppose it’s something

I was really looking forward to PoE2, but I was working under the assumption that would be something they’d fix but it really does feel like women characters are locked down to specific class tropes :/

just found out about Scion (the only strength woman char in POE1) and then promptly found out they’re specifically not bringing her across to POE2

i just wanna be a girl and swing big weapons :((

are POE2 genders locked to classes again? I like playing as STR women characters in RPGs and I remember in POE1 you could only play thin, dex or int based female chars (because buff women don’t exist)

unless im mistaken about POE1?

funny enough i think alan wake in the sequel joins this club too

behold the face of a man who’s lost control of his life