• @lysyOP
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    122 years ago

    In favor of security.

    • @guojing@lemmy.ml
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      -72 years ago

      How can there be security by joining an organization which openly treats Russia as an enemy? Finland and Russia share a border, so there will be more danger of conflict.

      • Ninmi
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        122 years ago

        How

        Strongest military alliance on the planet.

        Russia as an enemy

        Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.

        more danger of conflict

        See Ukraine.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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          Strongest military alliance on the planet.

          Except the opposite has been shown to be the case now that this alliance has been put to test https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare/

          Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.

          Then please explain NATO invasion of Yugoslavia to us.

          See Ukraine.

          The same Ukraine that’s been trained by NATO to “NATO standard”, supplied by NATO, and all but integrated into NATO already?

          Ukraine had an army that was by far the biggest and most experienced, after 8 years of civil war, in Europe. No other NATO country aside from US even comes close. This army is currently losing to a force that Russia deployed which accounts for a small part of Russia’s overall military strength.

          The lesson from Ukraine is pretty clearly that it’s a very bad idea for NATO to continue escalating tensions with Russia.

        • @guojing@lemmy.ml
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          -42 years ago

          The “strongest military alliance on the planet” lost a war against some guys with AKs and IEDs in Afghanistan exactly one year ago. NATO would be a joke by now if it werent for nuclear weapons.

          I assume your second paragraph refers to the United States’ regime change and inatigation of civil war that happened in 2014. Sadly I still fail to see Europe treating the U.S l. as the threat it is. Instead we are supposed to freeze and starve for Ukrainian fascists.

          • @kerela22@lemmy.ml
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            102 years ago

            everyday Ukrainians are dying, regular people like you and me. when you say ‘ukrainian fascists’ I find it really offensive. The russian rockets don’t ask about the political ideology before they blow up innocent civilians.

            • @guojing@lemmy.ml
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              -42 years ago

              Neither do Ukrainian artillery shells or anti person mines which are landing on Donetsk, killing civilians. By fascists Im not refering to civilians, but to the soldiers who operate these weapons, and the ones who command them.

              • @lysyOP
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                72 years ago

                There’s nothing like it in Donets. Stop spreading Putin’s propaganda.

      • @lysyOP
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        32 years ago

        Winter War can tell you something.