• I don’t have a strongly held belief regarding the existence of any gods.

      The strongly held belief I’m referring to isn’t a belief in a god or lack thereof, its a belief that religion is a net negative for society.

      I’m surprised you’re not aware of this.

      To say I’m not aware of this is again to argue in bad faith. I have mentioned myself that religious indoctrination of course still exists, and is a problem.

      As for the assessment of benefits, there’s a great deal of research into what people do with their lives and why.

      Yes there is research into how religion affects society, but it isn’t very useful for this purpose for multiple reasons. There is no instance of a society without religion, so the difference between a religious and non-religious society can’t be studied. There can be no consensus on what is beneficial and what isn’t, as morality itself isn’t objective.

      There is not and there never will be definitive evidence as to whether or not religion is beneficial for society.

      There is nothing to suggest we need religion for any of the benefits that religious people say they obtain from it,

      There is also nothing to suggest the opposite, because this can’t really be determined. You would have to so create a set of all the benefits religious people claim to get, which in and of itself would be a monumental task. Then, you would have to demonstrate that nonreligious people can achieve all of the exact same benefits.

      This is why I’ve come to the conclusion that this argument is pointless, and neither of us know anything beyond our personal experience.