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    You’re siding with a regime that used neonazis to kill our comrades in front of it’s goverment buildings, forced our Russian comrades to move from blunt weapons to firearms just to survive on the streets, supports crypto-fascist regimes, and openly finances French, German, Austrian, US neonazis, but claim we side with fascist? Hilarious. Maybe it’s time you volunteer to ‘Rusich’, now officially a part of FSB?

    Belarusian and Ukrainian refugees make up 1/4 of my city and half of the radical movement here. Like many of our comrades I’ve been traveling the region for over 20 years. Been to Moscow, been to deep Caucasian Russia, been to Ukraine a few times including the very areas that are now a battlefield and shared roof and drinks with comrades from other countries, who were now martyred there.
    But still instead of hearing out someone who’s committed their life to struggle, you’re better educated based on something you’ve read on the internet. Nothing like a western colonial mindset over the experience of local, working people deciding to fight against oppression.

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      used neonazis to kill our comrades in front of it’s goverment buildings

      Their killers are now serving lifetime sentences with no chance for parole. And how were punished killers of our comrades Vadim Papura and Andrei Brazhevsky? There wasn’t even proper investigation of their murder, and the regime which protects their killers is now actively supported by some shitheads pretending to be “antifa”.

      forced our Russian comrades to move from blunt weapons to firearms just to survive on the streets

      I remember those times very well as it was significant part of my early adulthood. The simple fact that some of those who fought for antifa at the time later decided to support the Nazi coup in 2014 does not change the simple truth that post-Maidan Ukraine is a neo-Nazi shithole, and these “antifa” (mostly, but not exclusively, from the Arsenal and MTZ-RIPO/Partizan fan bases) are nothing more than subcultural scum. Those of them who died fighting for this shit deserve no other honor than Darwin prize.

      Now get fucked along with your friends and your “struggle”.

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        In which policy exactly?

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            Help me out here. Someone describing reversing of the situation of his people is a nazi, but Russian state forcing that very situation on his people is anti-nazi? How does that work?
            And as a side note what is this mans role in the administration? He holds any?

            And how does that fare with Miedwiediew threatening half of Europe nuclear annihilation every few months? He chairs Security Council of the Russian Federation as far as I remmeber?

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              You’re doing that whole whataboutism thing here. At best you can say both are bad, but you are actively supporting one side here. So, you have no moral high ground. You’re just a nazi lover and you see Russians as the wrong nazis. It’s hilarious how Europe keeps doing posturing and then acting all surprised that Russia is taking hostile stance towards them. You’re such utter clowns, you should all get together and start a circus. Maybe that could be your new economic model.

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                You were meant to provide any proof of a actually fascist policy and the best you can come up with is an ex official with some generic threats in the middle of a war.

                I dont see either side as nazis. Both sides obviously do use nazis, although on one side a Jew president sends them to die in the trenches and on the other a mafia oligarch sets them up in FSB and sponsors and enables them worldwide. Funny which one you consider nazis.

                Still even as high on propaganda bullshit as you are you have to admit Russia is murdering Ukrainian children. If a threat of doing so is fascism, what is doing just that? Anti-fascism? How the fuck does that make any sense to you? How can that be equal to someone both murdering and attempting to terrorize the rest of the continent so they dont get seriously involved to stop the butchering of Ukrainians? How come Russia has the right to defend their interests beyond its border including sending troops, but no other country has such right? How is it threathened by Ukraine possibly joining NATO but was not when Finland joined? Particularly with that threathening the control over northern passage, not some easy to controll broad open fields? How do you even make any sense of this to yourself?
                And if you do, following your bullshit logic - why wouldent say Poland, with 200 years of history of Russian occupation, forced assimilation, forced migration and straight up genocide by Russian empire, should not do anything in its power to stop a neighboring country from again falling to such a state? Same arguments you use would justify Polands invasion of Bealarus and thretening to nuke Moscow if they step up. You’re to blinded to see the absurdity of your arguments and make a strawman of what you think I support, without at least reading what I clearly state, so cut your bullshit about whataboutism and moral high grounds Putin’s fanboy. Western europe attempted to reson with Russian government, cut them deals and made their elites filthy rich while doing it, while most of the country still looks like a cyberpunk distopia and is ruled like any failed 3rd world dictatorship, which it now is.

                “I feel threathened so I might vaporize you all unless you subdue to our imperialism” sounds like a underdog we should be cheering. You are beyond laughable.

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                  My dude, there are mountains of evidence for actual fascist policies in Ukraine. I literally linked you Poroshenko openly talking about doing ethnic cleansing. Absolutely hilarious you’d be trying to pull Jewish president bullshit when Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza. Maybe at least try to update the talking points you’ve memorized.

                  Still even as high on propaganda bullshit as you are you have to admit that the war could’ve been over in the first two months if the west didn’t step in and stop negotiations. You scum are the ones actively doing everything you can to drag it out.

                  I can’t wait till the US bails you lot and then we’ll see how brave you all.

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                    there are mountains of evidence for actual fascist policies in Ukraine.

                    Yet you did not link to any. Random speech is not a policy, Poroshenko is not an Ukrainian official or a government member, as opposed to Miedwiedew who is and is threatening nuclear annihilation even to non-combatants, aside from aiding the kidnapping of Ukrainian children which is literally a form of genocide.

                    you have to admit that the war could’ve been over in the first two months if the west didn’t step in and stop negotiations.

                    Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.

                    Oh, and what will we do without all the marvelous US help? Repeat history I guess…