…again. If it sounds familiar it’s not just you. But they’ve been back on “undecided” shortly after. Let’s hope this is the actual final decision.

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    We have to protest this shit every fucking year and those asshole politicians just keep trying.

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      We have to fight to get it denied every single time. They have to push it through only once. That’s why they keep trying.

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      Classical Athens punished the people who proposed evil laws with fines or way worse. But our enlightened ”democracies” just let this happen without repercussions.

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        In Athens they also ostracized people the majority didn’t like from the polis, which is akin to what was once civil death.

        Ancient Greece (and even less Rome, where I was born) are not at all my example of an enlightened society.

        The question here is much simpler: Peter Hummelgård, Danish minister of justice and main author of the new proposal, is the man who got the Danish police a customized version of Palantir’s Gotham to “fight immigrant gangs”.

        This is a man who recently said “we must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone’s civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services”, obviously lapping the peanut butter off Thiel’s genitals.

        Lobbying needs to be better regulated, but especially people like him and everyone who voted for his party should see our fingers pointing to their faces in real life and online.

        That’s how you fight this, by publicly shaming people for not grasping the fundamentals of Rights Culture.

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          I’m not saying the Ancient Greeks were nice, but I think politicians, especially career politicians, should face drastic consequences for betraying the constitution of the countries they’re supposed to serve. And classical Athens was only a minority of rulers among people who didn’t have any rights, but their institutions had some aspects that were more robust than modern States that have no checks and balances and rely on “but no one would ever do that”.

          French police and municipalities have been using illegal surveillance (like Briefcam with the facial recognition enabled) for a long time and there are also no consequences, except for the fact the surveillance is being made increasingly legal because they “need” it.

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    The proponents of Chat Control will use every trick in the book and will not give up easily. We will keep fighting until this proposal is defeated once and for all, and the privacy of our digital lives is secure for everyone.”

    How does this “once and for all” part work? Is there a clear, legal path towards preventing a similar proposal from being brought up again and again?

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    You see the German government would really prefer to stay in limbo in a lot of matters. Never decide anything. Never get anything done. Just wait as years pass by. That‘s how we lost world leading solar and robotic technologies to China and that‘s how conservatives run the country. You can expect a lot more back and forth in the coming years. On this matter and many others.

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      That‘s how we lost world leading solar

      “to altmeier sth.: to gleefully smash the thriving beginnings of a key industry of the future in your country at the behest of your wealthy donors and lobbyists, condemning your countrymen to watch from the sidelines while others take the cake for themselves.”

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      I wish. The last government did some good directional policy. For electric cars the German government doing nothing would be rather good. Same story for boilers.

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        I like saying the last government was partially dysfunctional and still achieved more progress in 3 years than Merkel did in 16. christian democrats weren‘t part of it so that‘s probably why.

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          The Austrian ÖVP similar to the CDU/CSU, but the average austrian voter is self-sabotaging, and so those political sloths have been in the government since fucking WW2, and since 2000 the only thing they seem to do is fill their own pockets with only the thinnest veneer of legality.

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    As a Swede, I’m truly ashamed that we shared Ylva Johansson (driving politician for this shit) with the rest of you.

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    I hope that this time it’s final and that they won’t just change their minds later.

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      The fascist oligarchs of surveillance capitalism will keep trying until it passes, or until it becomes political/literal suicide to support it.

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    Green being against+nwgative and red in favor+negative makes my brain ich in a way I can’t scratch

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    About France …

    According to fightchatcontrol.eu a majority of our MEPs have expressed against the law : from far right to far left. ALL of the others are left as “unknown”.

    I think it’s fair to assume that France is against this law but that our current political mess prevents an official or coordinated response.

    I think this is a very important point : I see a lot of hate against our MEPs because fightchatcontrol.eu does not reflect their actual position on this issue.

    I’d advise to at least switch France to “undecided” and add a bit of context 🤷

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      I believe the map is supposed to represent the position of the European commission (who would have voted on it first), not the parliament. Good to hear your MEPs would have likely been against it though.