They both just want to live. It’s the small groups of oligarchs that have convinced them they want other things. Either greater israel, or a Palestine with no Jews.
There is no way either party can get that.
Don’t forget there is a large number of non-jewish people living as Israeli citizens. Almost 30% of the population.
It’s part of the reason I would argue that a one state solution is the better option. A combined nation with one political and legal structure. That way the Current Jewish majority is diluted down to less than 50%. The only way to kill apartheid is to integrate the societies more closely. But that’s unlikely to happen as long as Israel is supported by the US and the local middle eastern nations don’t support the Palestinians though economic support and sanctions.
Palestine without Jews?!?!? There were Jews in Palestine living in peace alongside muslims and christians long before Israel was even created!
Stop the false info that never happened. When has there ever a palestinian doctrine or accord, or government or leader who claimed to want “A pAlIsTiNe wItH nO jEwS” ? What year was that? 1937 British mandate? 1948 Nakba? 1970 David camp? 1993 Oslo accords? In each one of these they ethnically cleansed and occupied more from Palestine and turned Israel into the aparthied it is.
Why are you repeating Zionist bs that is did not happen? Give me your sources, and let’s read them out and discuss them.
Meanwhile, go read the Yinon and Herzl plan, and Ben Gurion letters, which are considered the fathers of zionism.
Do these names sound Semetic to you btw if you even know what that word means?
Just google this shit and read what Zionism was built on from the start and it is WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DONE. We see the genocidal aparthied on video! It’s not theoritical!
Again respectfully I’m ignorant about so much history about so many parts of this world. I need to watch and read just like you need to at least watch these two parts and tell me if you still think Palestinian Mandelas and Palestinian Ghandis were the solution. Also tell me when and where the fuck is that Palestinain doctrine that started killing Jews and demanded Palestine without Jews.
tell me if you still think Palestinian Mandelas and Palestinian Ghandis were the solution.
Not them, but to be fair Mandela literally founded these guys. Nelson Mandela is heavily whitewashed by liberal media, but just like the original Mandela Palestine’s Mandela is probably in Gaza right now shooting Zionist scum.
I think you misunderstand my intentions. I am also looking the project of zionism to be eradicated. It’s as evil as the Nazi movement, or the Islamic eradication of other cultures, or the Christian Inquisitions and crusades.
Regardless of the history and what was said/promised/agreed, the only plan that will work is one that focuses on the current population on the ground.
A secular, irreligious, democracy that erases the apartheid boundaries is the only solution that does not perpetuate the conflict.
The two state solution is inherently unfair, because as you say, each time it’s on the table, the palestinians get less and less. In a democratic one state solution, they get an equal portion relative to their population (including the diaspora)
Apart from political power, You will also need a marshal plan type reconstruction effort to uplift, the war ravaged population and protect them from extremism and external exploitation by foreign governments. Fortunately, there is enough wealth in the Israeli economy to pay for a multi-generational reconstruction plan.
Yes I’ve heard so many discusstions about what the solution should be, and you’re right the one with most real results is not two-state but actually one.
It should stop the killing and start giving full equal rights regardless of your religious affliation.
Realistically, the real solution should start by a complete uprising that brings a new government to Israel, a new represitive-to-all one, a non-zionisit one, a new constitution to this aparthied colonial ethnostate, even expect that it will get a new name. That’s the reality. The Nazi government should fall and get replaced just like Hitler went out.
If Netynyahu went and Neftali Bennet came to power, not only nothing will change, it will get worse.
The aparthied genocidal system is currently built-in Israel’s constition, and Zionism mandates genocidal ethnic cleansing. The current Israeli population needs an uprising that brings its governemnt down and replaced. Netenyahu is not the problem; He is the symptoms of their indoctrinated bigotted racist genocidal population.
This real solution I’m talking about will not come by paper-signing agreements; In what world could you simply ask these powerful, super wealthy, blood thirsty, child-maiming, hostage raping, refugee burning, sadistic demonic war criminals to give up their superiority and control, and they would just go?
It cannot and will not be peacful. And that’s where I sensed our disagreement is on. You think it will be peacful, or demand and expect slaves to accept occuption and stay slaves forever, or balme them for resorting to armed resistance, to me that’s crazy nonsense unrealistic talk.
That’s why I know this real solution I’m talking about is far away, and sometimes I feel you and me may die before seeing it happen.
I don’t disagree. It will not be peaceful. You are correct, Israelis have most of the power. But those in power in their government will never go peacefully.
They both just want to live. It’s the small groups of oligarchs that have convinced them they want other things. Either greater israel, or a Palestine with no Jews.
There is no way either party can get that.
Don’t forget there is a large number of non-jewish people living as Israeli citizens. Almost 30% of the population.
It’s part of the reason I would argue that a one state solution is the better option. A combined nation with one political and legal structure. That way the Current Jewish majority is diluted down to less than 50%. The only way to kill apartheid is to integrate the societies more closely. But that’s unlikely to happen as long as Israel is supported by the US and the local middle eastern nations don’t support the Palestinians though economic support and sanctions.
Palestine without Jews?!?!? There were Jews in Palestine living in peace alongside muslims and christians long before Israel was even created!
Stop the false info that never happened. When has there ever a palestinian doctrine or accord, or government or leader who claimed to want “A pAlIsTiNe wItH nO jEwS” ? What year was that? 1937 British mandate? 1948 Nakba? 1970 David camp? 1993 Oslo accords? In each one of these they ethnically cleansed and occupied more from Palestine and turned Israel into the aparthied it is.
Why are you repeating Zionist bs that is did not happen? Give me your sources, and let’s read them out and discuss them.
Meanwhile, go read the Yinon and Herzl plan, and Ben Gurion letters, which are considered the fathers of zionism. Do these names sound Semetic to you btw if you even know what that word means?
Just google this shit and read what Zionism was built on from the start and it is WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN DONE. We see the genocidal aparthied on video! It’s not theoritical!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan
https://www.freesuriyah.eu/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/HerzlJFischmannJandYinon-TheGreaterIsrael.pdf
Just watch these by overzealots please because the history I read and know 10 years ago seems like news to you. we are not on the same page:
Part 1:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nXujfBBfvXU
Part 2:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D1gSrckT5G4
Again respectfully I’m ignorant about so much history about so many parts of this world. I need to watch and read just like you need to at least watch these two parts and tell me if you still think Palestinian Mandelas and Palestinian Ghandis were the solution. Also tell me when and where the fuck is that Palestinain doctrine that started killing Jews and demanded Palestine without Jews.
Not them, but to be fair Mandela literally founded these guys. Nelson Mandela is heavily whitewashed by liberal media, but just like the original Mandela Palestine’s Mandela is probably in Gaza right now shooting Zionist scum.
Why do you think Mandela changed his mind?
He didn’t, the Apartheid government did. They approached him for talks in 1980 and that got the ball rolling on everything else.
Convinces = changed his mind
What?
I think you misunderstand my intentions. I am also looking the project of zionism to be eradicated. It’s as evil as the Nazi movement, or the Islamic eradication of other cultures, or the Christian Inquisitions and crusades.
Regardless of the history and what was said/promised/agreed, the only plan that will work is one that focuses on the current population on the ground.
A secular, irreligious, democracy that erases the apartheid boundaries is the only solution that does not perpetuate the conflict.
The two state solution is inherently unfair, because as you say, each time it’s on the table, the palestinians get less and less. In a democratic one state solution, they get an equal portion relative to their population (including the diaspora)
Apart from political power, You will also need a marshal plan type reconstruction effort to uplift, the war ravaged population and protect them from extremism and external exploitation by foreign governments. Fortunately, there is enough wealth in the Israeli economy to pay for a multi-generational reconstruction plan.
Yes I’ve heard so many discusstions about what the solution should be, and you’re right the one with most real results is not two-state but actually one. It should stop the killing and start giving full equal rights regardless of your religious affliation.
Realistically, the real solution should start by a complete uprising that brings a new government to Israel, a new represitive-to-all one, a non-zionisit one, a new constitution to this aparthied colonial ethnostate, even expect that it will get a new name. That’s the reality. The Nazi government should fall and get replaced just like Hitler went out.
If Netynyahu went and Neftali Bennet came to power, not only nothing will change, it will get worse.
The aparthied genocidal system is currently built-in Israel’s constition, and Zionism mandates genocidal ethnic cleansing. The current Israeli population needs an uprising that brings its governemnt down and replaced. Netenyahu is not the problem; He is the symptoms of their indoctrinated bigotted racist genocidal population.
This real solution I’m talking about will not come by paper-signing agreements; In what world could you simply ask these powerful, super wealthy, blood thirsty, child-maiming, hostage raping, refugee burning, sadistic demonic war criminals to give up their superiority and control, and they would just go?
It cannot and will not be peacful. And that’s where I sensed our disagreement is on. You think it will be peacful, or demand and expect slaves to accept occuption and stay slaves forever, or balme them for resorting to armed resistance, to me that’s crazy nonsense unrealistic talk.
That’s why I know this real solution I’m talking about is far away, and sometimes I feel you and me may die before seeing it happen.
I don’t disagree. It will not be peaceful. You are correct, Israelis have most of the power. But those in power in their government will never go peacefully.