First of all: I love how you people always claim that “citing Israeli sources is stupid” when it comes to Palestine, but you’re all good using it when it suits you.
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time. Citing Israeli data or research in general is not, provided it’s coming from a source that hasn’t been routinely making up shit longer than I’ve been alive.
That aside, you should’ve asked for a source and saved yourself the effort. The data is from your link, specifically this passage:
From examining the conduct of the state, we moved to a more personal question, asking: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza?” A very large majority of Jewish respondents reported that they are not so troubled or not at all troubled personally by events in Gaza (79%),
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time
Sure. And yet, when I was citing IDI - when they were making pro-Israeli statements (or rather: not flat out anti-Israeli statements) - people were getting up in arms because “it’s an Israeli source, of course they’re lying”.
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Props to you for owning up to that (I’m 100% serious), but that’s still misrepresenting the actual data.
The first thing they taught me when I was studying Ethnology was: “don’t forget the context in which data is being presented”.
The question is: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population”.
And considering 70% of the population believes the IDF’s reports regarding the situation, the number makes much more sense - they’re not troubled by the reports of famine, because they don’t believe the reports of famine.
So, from your “80% of Israelis feel nothing when shown a starving Palestinian” we end up at “70% of Israelis believe the IDF’s reports and therefore don’t believe there’s a humanitarian crisis happening in Gaza”. And then, when you add to this the fact that literally every single Israeli (other than the Orthodox) has come through the IDF as part of the mandatory training, this makes even more sense - they instinctively refuse to believe that the organisation they’ve been a part of could lie to this extent.
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time. Citing Israeli data or research in general is not, provided it’s coming from a source that hasn’t been routinely making up shit longer than I’ve been alive.
That aside, you should’ve asked for a source and saved yourself the effort. The data is from your link, specifically this passage:
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Sure. And yet, when I was citing IDI - when they were making pro-Israeli statements (or rather: not flat out anti-Israeli statements) - people were getting up in arms because “it’s an Israeli source, of course they’re lying”.
Props to you for owning up to that (I’m 100% serious), but that’s still misrepresenting the actual data.
The first thing they taught me when I was studying Ethnology was: “don’t forget the context in which data is being presented”.
The question is: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population”.
And considering 70% of the population believes the IDF’s reports regarding the situation, the number makes much more sense - they’re not troubled by the reports of famine, because they don’t believe the reports of famine.
So, from your “80% of Israelis feel nothing when shown a starving Palestinian” we end up at “70% of Israelis believe the IDF’s reports and therefore don’t believe there’s a humanitarian crisis happening in Gaza”. And then, when you add to this the fact that literally every single Israeli (other than the Orthodox) has come through the IDF as part of the mandatory training, this makes even more sense - they instinctively refuse to believe that the organisation they’ve been a part of could lie to this extent.