I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.
So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.
Actually a lot of people DO change their minds when they are yelled at. Sometimes it’s the only approach that works, because often they’ve already been gently explained to.
I don’t care about the feelings of fashies, I call them out as fascists in hopes that the admins permaban them. I don’t attempt to change their small minds, I attempt to create a safer space in this social network.
Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.
Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.
Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.
I’m sorry it’s not clear enough to you that someone advocating for mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children is a fascism apologist. I’m not here to “debate Nazis and own them epically”, I’m here to call out Nazism and mods should be here to enforce anti-nazi bans.
It’s not my fault that this person is a Nazi, it’s your fault that these people are allowed at all in the mainstream. “You made me support the genocide of Palestinians by calling me a bad word!!!”
Alright fair enough. I agree it’s not complicated and anything to suggest otherwise appears to be Nazi apologia. But hear me out: Its unfortunately not so obvious to a lot of people. My own father falls for conservative extremist propaganda because pumping someone with hate makes them forget to think critically. How easy is it to convince someone to hate a group of people whom they have had no interaction with? Apparently very easy if you are a billionaire controlling the media.
Unfortunately we can’t stop genocide without convincing people its happening. And we can’t convince people out of the mindspace they put themselves in.
I do activism in my private life to prevent genocide, such as participating in the sabotage of La Vuelta Ciclista or in the mass protest last Sunday in Madrid with my communist organization. It is not through convincing people on social networks to stop genocide, it is through organized action calling for a general strike in my country on the 15th of October to break all relations, economic and diplomatic, with the genocidal entity.
On Lemmy, I simply want people not to be exposed to sprawling fascist viewpoints as in the case of this comment section, hopefully by amplifying the pro-Palestinian voices and shutting down the pro-genocide ones, we can get this space to be a beacon of ideology.
Alright fine this is probably out of my depth since you do a lot of things which i don’t. But on a tangent: Do you think we can stop this genocide by moderation alone? Is there no place for convincing people? or in other words you don’t believe there is ignorance here?
I believe some people can be convinced and some can’t. I don’t think I’m going to convince a random lemmitor arguing for the mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children, I can engage in more nuanced discussion with people who truly don’t understand but care about the topic
I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.
So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.
Actually a lot of people DO change their minds when they are yelled at. Sometimes it’s the only approach that works, because often they’ve already been gently explained to.
I don’t care about the feelings of fashies, I call them out as fascists in hopes that the admins permaban them. I don’t attempt to change their small minds, I attempt to create a safer space in this social network.
Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.
Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.
Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.
I’m sorry it’s not clear enough to you that someone advocating for mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children is a fascism apologist. I’m not here to “debate Nazis and own them epically”, I’m here to call out Nazism and mods should be here to enforce anti-nazi bans.
It’s not my fault that this person is a Nazi, it’s your fault that these people are allowed at all in the mainstream. “You made me support the genocide of Palestinians by calling me a bad word!!!”
Alright fair enough. I agree it’s not complicated and anything to suggest otherwise appears to be Nazi apologia. But hear me out: Its unfortunately not so obvious to a lot of people. My own father falls for conservative extremist propaganda because pumping someone with hate makes them forget to think critically. How easy is it to convince someone to hate a group of people whom they have had no interaction with? Apparently very easy if you are a billionaire controlling the media.
Unfortunately we can’t stop genocide without convincing people its happening. And we can’t convince people out of the mindspace they put themselves in.
I do activism in my private life to prevent genocide, such as participating in the sabotage of La Vuelta Ciclista or in the mass protest last Sunday in Madrid with my communist organization. It is not through convincing people on social networks to stop genocide, it is through organized action calling for a general strike in my country on the 15th of October to break all relations, economic and diplomatic, with the genocidal entity.
On Lemmy, I simply want people not to be exposed to sprawling fascist viewpoints as in the case of this comment section, hopefully by amplifying the pro-Palestinian voices and shutting down the pro-genocide ones, we can get this space to be a beacon of ideology.
Alright fine this is probably out of my depth since you do a lot of things which i don’t. But on a tangent: Do you think we can stop this genocide by moderation alone? Is there no place for convincing people? or in other words you don’t believe there is ignorance here?
I believe some people can be convinced and some can’t. I don’t think I’m going to convince a random lemmitor arguing for the mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children, I can engage in more nuanced discussion with people who truly don’t understand but care about the topic
There are people who don’t deserve to be won over. You wouldn’t waste your time arguing with a pedophile about the merits of raping kids would you?