Comparing the ratio of civilian/children to soldier casualties of the Ukraine war with essentially any other war in which an industrialized nation has engaged in for the past half a century it gets obvious that Russia’s objective is not the elimination of Ukrainians as an ethnicity unless we apply that standard for US involvement in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan… (which I consider atrocious but not genocidal). It is a war of invasion, but not a genocide.
Ukrainian children being kidnapped are isolated instances, not a mass occurrence, no serious journalistic job proves otherwise other than claims from the Ukrainian administration, which has obvious reasons for doing atrocity propaganda.
These accusations of children/women being hurt are levied in every western involvement as we saw with Nayirah’s Testimony which the west took at face value and turned out to be a psyop to sway public opinion doing atrocity propaganda against Iraq.
I’m in favour of condemning all instances of Ukrainian children being relocated to Russia and I’d arguably consider most of those a war crime, but there’s a step between that and taking Ukrainian administration claims of tens of thousands (when the independently confirmed numbers hover the hundreds or few thousands if I’m not mistaken) and making accusations of genocide.
Using the word “genocide” lightly to describe every western geopolitical enemy is dangerous towards victims of blatant genocide such as Palestinians, at risk of losing the weight of the war.
The Russian Ministry of Defense admits 307,000 children were illegally forced from their homes in Ukraine and relocated to Russia. That is not ‘isolated incidents’, and it’s why the ICC has an arrest warrant issued for Vladimir Putin.
Those children are being reeducated and raised as Russians. That is not a normal wartime practice, it’s a Hallmark of genocide.
What ratio of soldier to civilian casualties is necessary for a genocide? I wasn’t aware of this metric.
It’s not just about the children, the areas being conquered are having their culture and history stripped away and destroyed, the language is being changed to Russian; the goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian ethnic identity, this is not the same as other conflicts you named.
The Russian Ministry of Defense admits 307,000 children were illegally forced from their homes in Ukraine and relocated to Russia
Those numbers are ridiculous and blatant Russian propaganda. Taking the Russian Ministry of Defense claims at face value is absurd, and if I’m not mistaken this isn’t even an official communiqué but just something a higher up of the organization said. Unless you truly believe that Russia had killed 1mn Ukrainian soldiers by 2023, you shouldn’t believe the number of kidnapped children claim.
What ratio of soldier to civilian casualties is necessary for a genocide?
There isn’t a final answer but obviously extreme numbers on one either of the ratio are relevant (i.e. 600k Palestinian civilians murdered by “Israel” since Oct 2023 with about half of them being children out of a population of a few million people in Gaza point towards genocide, the case for Ukraine doesn’t point to that direction with estimates not usually exceeding the 20k civilians dead since Feb 2022, with military deaths probably above a few hundreds of thousands).
It’s not just about the children, the areas being conquered are having their culture and history stripped away and destroyed, the language is being changed to Russian
Since 2014 the Ukrainian government was shelling Donbas during the Ukrainian civil war, and in some regions with a majority of self-defined Russians Russian was forbidden. Russia argues that this was a genocide of Russians through war and erasure of language and Russian culture with Russian icons being demolished too. Genocide of Russians is the justification of Russia to invade Ukraine. I don’t take these accusations of genocide that seriously either because of the same reasons I don’t believe Russia is genociding Ukrainians, I believe it’s a political tool to turn your population against a geopolitical enemy. That’s why I want to base this discussion on independent journalistic work instead of accusations from one government to the other
Comparing the ratio of civilian/children to soldier casualties of the Ukraine war with essentially any other war in which an industrialized nation has engaged in for the past half a century it gets obvious that Russia’s objective is not the elimination of Ukrainians as an ethnicity unless we apply that standard for US involvement in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan… (which I consider atrocious but not genocidal). It is a war of invasion, but not a genocide.
Ukrainian children being kidnapped are isolated instances, not a mass occurrence, no serious journalistic job proves otherwise other than claims from the Ukrainian administration, which has obvious reasons for doing atrocity propaganda.
These accusations of children/women being hurt are levied in every western involvement as we saw with Nayirah’s Testimony which the west took at face value and turned out to be a psyop to sway public opinion doing atrocity propaganda against Iraq.
I’m in favour of condemning all instances of Ukrainian children being relocated to Russia and I’d arguably consider most of those a war crime, but there’s a step between that and taking Ukrainian administration claims of tens of thousands (when the independently confirmed numbers hover the hundreds or few thousands if I’m not mistaken) and making accusations of genocide.
Using the word “genocide” lightly to describe every western geopolitical enemy is dangerous towards victims of blatant genocide such as Palestinians, at risk of losing the weight of the war.
The Russian Ministry of Defense admits 307,000 children were illegally forced from their homes in Ukraine and relocated to Russia. That is not ‘isolated incidents’, and it’s why the ICC has an arrest warrant issued for Vladimir Putin.
Those children are being reeducated and raised as Russians. That is not a normal wartime practice, it’s a Hallmark of genocide.
What ratio of soldier to civilian casualties is necessary for a genocide? I wasn’t aware of this metric.
It’s not just about the children, the areas being conquered are having their culture and history stripped away and destroyed, the language is being changed to Russian; the goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian ethnic identity, this is not the same as other conflicts you named.
Those numbers are ridiculous and blatant Russian propaganda. Taking the Russian Ministry of Defense claims at face value is absurd, and if I’m not mistaken this isn’t even an official communiqué but just something a higher up of the organization said. Unless you truly believe that Russia had killed 1mn Ukrainian soldiers by 2023, you shouldn’t believe the number of kidnapped children claim.
There isn’t a final answer but obviously extreme numbers on one either of the ratio are relevant (i.e. 600k Palestinian civilians murdered by “Israel” since Oct 2023 with about half of them being children out of a population of a few million people in Gaza point towards genocide, the case for Ukraine doesn’t point to that direction with estimates not usually exceeding the 20k civilians dead since Feb 2022, with military deaths probably above a few hundreds of thousands).
Since 2014 the Ukrainian government was shelling Donbas during the Ukrainian civil war, and in some regions with a majority of self-defined Russians Russian was forbidden. Russia argues that this was a genocide of Russians through war and erasure of language and Russian culture with Russian icons being demolished too. Genocide of Russians is the justification of Russia to invade Ukraine. I don’t take these accusations of genocide that seriously either because of the same reasons I don’t believe Russia is genociding Ukrainians, I believe it’s a political tool to turn your population against a geopolitical enemy. That’s why I want to base this discussion on independent journalistic work instead of accusations from one government to the other
Do you think the genocide of Palestinians began with the invasion of Gaza in 2023?
I think the genocide of Gazans intensified in 2023, but no, I think it’s been ongoing for almost a century at this point. Why?