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They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Being bigoted is not helpful.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
Which protected class are we being bigoted against?
I’m not here to argue legality.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.
Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.
They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.
Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
It’s like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis…
Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?
A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be an angel.
No I just live in reality, not in lemmy echo chambers.
Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
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There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.
Thats a lot of assumptions about why they are doing what they are.
What is being assumed?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
Throwing away your humility means you don’t get treated as such. Simple as that.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.