You cultivate these parasocial relationships with people online who pay you for them. Like.
You should be safe attending an event like this. And doing so doesn’t give anyone the right to you, to hurt you, or anything about you beyond what choose to share.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos, so while I’m not shocked that someone tried soemthing like this (I am shocked at how shitty the security was here), this isn’t super surprising.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
I hate to break this to you but many people who watch female streamers are not there for the games, and many streamers encourage this parasocial behavior (I don’t think emiru really does, but I don’t really watch twitch anymore). Even for male streamers I’ll see people treating donators like they’re friends and being really encouraging (only when they donate a message though). If you are one of the people who just pops in and out and watches streamers who don’t do this, then you and that streamer are not who he is talking about.
Well I read about some camgirls who found out they made more money acting like a gamrgurl. But I’m sure there’s plenty more girls who start out with the same ambition as their male counterparts. I imagine it’s super tough for them to balance on that slippery slope when it becomes your job to get as many subscribers and donations as possible. And even if they don’t choose to cater to them there’s going to be plenty of creeps, just like with ‘classic’ celebrities.
I’m not shocked by any of it. when you sleep with big companies like twitch or Microsoft or Google, expect to get treated like shit. you aren’t important to them, they don’t care about you. make them money and deal with your own problems.
time and time again, these companies clearly show how much they don’t care, yet people keep flocking to them.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos
So does a place like Hooters. They’re not specifically designed to prey on maladjusted weirdos. Their audience is older, lonely men. Not all lonely older men are maladjusted weirdos.
It’s “gross” to you because you think being single, older and a man is a red flag in and of itself. And saying it “exploits everybody” denies women agency, like opposing strip clubs or prostitution.
Don’t think the comparison is valid. While there will be creepers at hooters, they are more likely to already be social and accustomed to the norms. They’re out and about. Whereas there’s an undeniable mass of socially inept users that streaming specifically caters to. They have zero concepts of socially appropriate behaviour and interactions.
The older single man angle has nothing to do with it.
They’re out and about. Whereas there’s an undeniable mass of socially inept users that streaming specifically caters to.
Funnily enough this goes both ways. At the first streamer awards there were a lot of jokes about how many of the streamers attending needed a shower and a good number of them showed up in the same clothing they stream in, which is not really appropriate for a publicly broadcast award ceremony
I don’t know if they’re accustomed to the norms more but Hooters starts as in person encounter. It’s already a very different dynamic from lurking online amongst hundreds watching a person knowing they can’t see you.
You cultivate these parasocial relationships with people online who pay you for them. Like.
You should be safe attending an event like this. And doing so doesn’t give anyone the right to you, to hurt you, or anything about you beyond what choose to share.
At the same time the entire streaming thing seems designed to prey upon lonely maladjusted weirdos, so while I’m not shocked that someone tried soemthing like this (I am shocked at how shitty the security was here), this isn’t super surprising.
The entire thing feels exploitative and gross for everyone involved, both the streamers and the people watching / paying them.
Exploitation of others is the beating heart of capitalism.
No argument there.
? Watching people playing games in your spare time is “being exploited”? Do we have to play games to enjoy them?
I hate to break this to you but many people who watch female streamers are not there for the games, and many streamers encourage this parasocial behavior (I don’t think emiru really does, but I don’t really watch twitch anymore). Even for male streamers I’ll see people treating donators like they’re friends and being really encouraging (only when they donate a message though). If you are one of the people who just pops in and out and watches streamers who don’t do this, then you and that streamer are not who he is talking about.
She makes money exploiting these people, promoting their fantasies. It’s fucked from both sides.
Doesn’t she just stream herself playing video games?
“See? She’s doing it again! She’s sexually harassing me!” – Beavis
So you’re 11 years old? She knows exactly why man boys are watching her and it’s not for her Fortnite techniques.
Well I read about some camgirls who found out they made more money acting like a gamrgurl. But I’m sure there’s plenty more girls who start out with the same ambition as their male counterparts. I imagine it’s super tough for them to balance on that slippery slope when it becomes your job to get as many subscribers and donations as possible. And even if they don’t choose to cater to them there’s going to be plenty of creeps, just like with ‘classic’ celebrities.
I concur.
I’m not shocked by any of it. when you sleep with big companies like twitch or Microsoft or Google, expect to get treated like shit. you aren’t important to them, they don’t care about you. make them money and deal with your own problems.
time and time again, these companies clearly show how much they don’t care, yet people keep flocking to them.
stop trusting companies…
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I also don’t like what happened but I am also not surprised. Everyone made a choice and consequences happened.
So does a place like Hooters. They’re not specifically designed to prey on maladjusted weirdos. Their audience is older, lonely men. Not all lonely older men are maladjusted weirdos.
It’s “gross” to you because you think being single, older and a man is a red flag in and of itself. And saying it “exploits everybody” denies women agency, like opposing strip clubs or prostitution.
Don’t think the comparison is valid. While there will be creepers at hooters, they are more likely to already be social and accustomed to the norms. They’re out and about. Whereas there’s an undeniable mass of socially inept users that streaming specifically caters to. They have zero concepts of socially appropriate behaviour and interactions.
The older single man angle has nothing to do with it.
Funnily enough this goes both ways. At the first streamer awards there were a lot of jokes about how many of the streamers attending needed a shower and a good number of them showed up in the same clothing they stream in, which is not really appropriate for a publicly broadcast award ceremony
I don’t know if they’re accustomed to the norms more but Hooters starts as in person encounter. It’s already a very different dynamic from lurking online amongst hundreds watching a person knowing they can’t see you.