Torturing an AI chat bot until it does stupid AI shit is some of the funniest content I’ve seen in a while

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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    13 days ago

    It is an advanced T9 predictive text algorithm I do not care one bit what people say to it. I expect people to know the difference between machine and reality, much the same as videogames.

    Selling it as “intelligence” is actually the dangerous part and should be banned. People believing it is intelligent and not being able to determine pretend from reality is what has caused problems. If people believed they were killing humans in the games and not just a bunch of silly pixels arranged a certain way that would be a serious problem too.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      3·
      13 days ago

      Selling it as “intelligence” is actually the dangerous part and should be banned. People believing it is intelligent and not being able to determine pretend from reality is what has caused problems. If people believed they were killing humans in the games and not just a bunch of silly pixels arranged a certain way that would be a serious problem too.

      CW brief mention of sexual assault in the context of a theoretical video game.

      I agree, but there’s also certain subjects where this (even in a regular game) is a bigger problem. If someone played regular video games where the gaslit and abused (or, for an extreme example, sexually assaulted) women, I would be much more seriously concerned about them than someone playing CoD. I think it’s partially that people are raised from birth the believe CoD is OK, but in my theoretical example they are severely deviating from social norms in a way that indicates a desire to harm women.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        3·
        13 days ago

        I agree, but there’s also certain subjects where this (even in a regular game) is a bigger problem. If someone played regular video games where the gaslit and abused (or, for an extreme example, sexually assaulted) women, I would be much more seriously concerned about them than someone playing CoD. I think it’s partially that people are raised from birth the believe CoD is OK, but in my theoretical example they are severely deviating from social norms in a way that indicates a desire to harm women.

        Is this perhaps a somewhat one sided analysis? Do you think there are no women buying kink games that involve non-con as a kink with a female protag?

        I often see a mistake on hexbear, and that is to imagine women as non-sexual beings that do not engage in kink. Some of this content is a safe outlet for kink and exists and is consumed by women, not just men. Women are kinky and freaky and women like bdsm. Men do too. Some of them are cruel dickbags, some are totally normal dudes too though. I am not inclined to judge someone solely for the roleplay kink they engage in without other metrics. I think it is dangerous and misguided patriarchal behaviour, an overprotective response limited to people that mistakenly misjudge women as non-sexual, non-kinky and not engaging in that content themselves. I think, particularly among leftist women, this is even more pronounced.

        There are problems yes. But do not over-correct.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          2·
          13 days ago

          Is this perhaps a somewhat one sided analysis? Do you think there are no women buying kink games that involve non-con as a kink with a female protag?

          No, of course not. I had in mind specifically men for the point I was making because they commit the overwhelming majority of violence against women (and in general). It was sloppy of me to leave that implicit in my comment.

          I didn’t even think of kink when I was typing the comment, that’s also 100% my mistake and you make a good point. The type of game I had in mind was the type made by men who hate women (far-right types) for a very specific audience (misogynistic men), it was absolutely sloppy of me to not write that explicitly. I want to also acknowledge here that the people who would play such a game are not all the audience intended by the creator, so what you’re saying stands for many of them too.

          Some of them are cruel dickbags, some are totally normal dudes too though. I am not inclined to judge someone solely for the roleplay kink they engage in without other metrics.

          I 100% agree with you here. I’m not arguing as a judgment of people who enjoy these things in a healthy way.

          I actually realized while I was typing this what the itch in my brain was that compelled me to make that comment in the first place, and I think I was running down a false path when I said I would be concerned about consumers of such media. I think, especially for certain people (isolated young men), that the interactive nature of video games is more likely to create a sort of “hedonistic feedback loop” (not sure if this is the right way to express this concept). While they’re not very likely to go out and commit murder (or even join the army, statistically), they’re much more likely to commit domestic violence and sexual violence. I don’t think I could concretely even say this would increase the likelihood of such men committing violence, but I don’t think it would be psychologically healthy for them. Hopefully I’m making sense here, I can’t really tell at this point lol.

          Edit: I’m pretty tired, so please let me know if I’m saying nonsense. I’m not completely sure I’m getting my (probably not fully formed) ideas out into text in a comprehensible way here.

          • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            3·
            13 days ago

            How do we differentiate between those ones and the kink ones? Maybe now it’s obvious but what happens if you crack down on the right wing ones and then they switch to blurring the lines and persisting in the grey area between?

            I am mostly content with ignoring it, because the danger in going after them despite being such a small problem is that it will expand into just outright controlling kink content when they do that. People will misguidedly control women under the claim they’re doing it to protect women.

            Hopefully I’m making sense here, I can’t really tell at this point lol.

            You do make sense. I’m trying to plot a course through this problem myself, without falling into the trap of controlling women to protect women. This trap is dangerous and I think people with no kink history have a hard time even noticing it exists.

            You don’t need to be nervous about the topic with me. Some other hexbears might see them as a minefield but I’m particularly open and chill about it.

            • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              12 days ago

              How do we differentiate between those ones and the kink ones? Maybe now it’s obvious but what happens if you crack down on the right wing ones and then they switch to blurring the lines and persisting in the grey area between?

              OH! Oh no, I’m absolutely, categorically NOT trying to advocate for a crackdown for exactly the reasons you state (edit: that there’s no way or mechanism to crack down only on “bad” things and it’s likely to cause a bigger problem than the problem it would be trying to solve). I went back and read my first comment, and I now see how it might have looked that way, but it 100% was not my intent.

              I am mostly content with ignoring it, because the danger in going after them despite being such a small problem is that it will expand into just outright controlling kink content when they do that. People will misguidedly control women under the claim they’re doing it to protect women.

              100% agreed on all points.

              I’m trying to plot a course through this problem myself, without falling into the trap of controlling women to protect women. This trap is dangerous and I think people with no kink history have a hard time even noticing it exists.

              This is a great point and one that I will do my best to keep in mind going forward. Thank you.

              • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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                13 days ago

                I have my suspicions that the current ongoing payment provider restrictions are intended to cause this to happen.

                What happens to kink writers and developers for literature and games when their content is removed? Right now it’s just kinda sus content leaning towards obviously taboo things, content in school settings, content with animals, 500 year old vampires, etc etc.

                The obvious thing they will do is move further into the grey area.

                What happens when they do that? You crack down on everything in the grey area.

                Now you’ve hit them again, but you’ve also hit a whole heap of lgbt content and other kinks.

                Then all of that moves into the newly formed grey area.

                You go after the new grey area for being banned in the former wave. Explicitly targeting lgbt kinks and other things.

                This is the long-term strategy I would be running if I were on the side of those christian lobby groups that have been successful recently.

                • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  13 days ago

                  This is the long-term strategy I would be running if I were on the side of those christian lobby groups that have been successful recently.

                  I think you’re right and this is the strategy they’re running. They use the overtly bad stuff (pedo loli shit, for example) as a Trojan Horse (or maybe a wedge / pry bar) to slowly smuggle in functional censorship of LGBT content (plus anything else they don’t like). These don’t have anything in common, to be clear, other than being “taboo” according to some.