Kamala is and has always been a shit tier candidate.
Can we finally admit that her entire campaign amounted to gaslighting people into thinking she’s remotely leftist?
She could have left out the middle paragraph, and this still would have been a mature, reasonable response without the praise.
Yeah. “We’re sorry for his family that he’s dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that’s gotta suck for them.” Totally fine.
“And here this embodiment of literally everything wrong with America, directly responsible for the deaths of thousands, instrumental in weakening the norms of integrity and public interest for his own financial gain and helping in some small way to lay the foundation for our current debacle, a punchline of corruption and slaughter, infamous in the news and reviled in public life, he’s got my vote though! You see I am not willing to deal in uncomfortable truths even when the public can see them unanimously” could have been omitted.
regardless of who he was as a person, that’s gotta suck for them.
Yeah if he loved America he wouldn’t’ve violated one of its founding tenants across the globe
Yeah. “We’re sorry for his family that he’s dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that’s gotta suck for them.” Totally fine.
Hmm, yes, interesting. Shall I post what Harris said when Sinwar was killed?
To be fair, her wording is written very politically. You could say it of pretty much any top political figure – good or bad – and have it be true
Cheney caused a lot of death and suffering. Sometimes it was through his actions as a leader, other times his incompetence with a gun. He was dedicated though, spent much of his life in politics
He was dedicated to personal power and enrichment
Yes, that’s exactly what I mean. Dedication doesn’t have an inherently positive connotation
“It’s one big club, and you ain’t in it.” - G. Carlin
Jeez, democrats seem to really like Charlie Kirk and Dick Cheney.
I wonder why they’re having trouble with Muslim voters…
And Democratic voters
Oh no they can just insult, scold, and abandon their voters and they will still come home. You don’t understand, Democratic politicians are entitled to the votes of minorities.
But, but, but … no matter the politics of their candidate clicking their heels and saying the magic words “vote us to stop the other guy” has always worked as their main electoral strategy.
Obviously with such a magical and infallible electoral strategy, this election loss can only be explained by there being something wrong with the voters themselves as that strategy makes the quality and politics of the candidate be irrelevant!
This x1000. Ain’t even gotta be Eid al-Adha, Muslims stay the scapegoats for Dems.
Politicians need to learn to not comment.
Kamala wasn’t involved in national politics at the same time as cheney. When cheney was last in office, Kamala was the district attorney of SF, an local office that only deals with the laws of California. No plausible working relationship between the two. They were not even interacting with the same laws. They worked in entirely different levels of government. There is no need for any statement.
Regardless of politics, any statement like this will sound disingenuous. If she knows Lynne, Liz, Mary, and the entire family well enough to have them in her thoughts, she could tell them directly. Calling someone to wish them the best in a hard time is a commendable act. Making a public statement telling other people that you care about someone else is just weird.
All you had to do was say nothing, Kamala.
Why do liberals not realize that the right will NEVER vote for them no matter how much they pander, and everyone else hates them because they have no moral or ethical compass.
Because they want bribes.
they are the right
Because liberals are right-wing.
It’s literally just a boiler plate acknowledging a current situation post.
Fucking hell you guys.
She’s still playing that “let’s meet in the middle” charade that didn’t do shit for her during her campaign?
Right when seeing a smashing victory by a progressive candidate too. Truly unaccountable
A true believer
She could’ve just not posted anything about his death
Between her and Ezra Klein, I’m starting to think politicians and pundits who don’t really stand for anything are afraid they’ll be forgotten about if they don’t chip in their two cents on anything and everything.
Those two are just as dead to me as the dead villains they insisted on lionizing.
Centrist Democrats seem to have a compulsive need to virtue signal at every opportunity. They don’t have good policy so they have to prove their moral superiority, which might have worked a decade ago, but just makes them look spineless now.
Tbf she’s practicing what she preaches by saying something. Christian values would be to ‘love your neighbor and enemy’. Personally, I think she still truly believes in Biden’s of message bipartisanship being possible.
As a person, she showed dignity and respect for someone that held views that were quite different from her own. A leader tries to build bridges rather than more walls.
That’s true but we have limits. Torture and War Criminal are over the line. Showing dignity and respect for Hitler should not be a tweet.
She would have saved us from chaos and violence though.
Those things are two different conversations.
I’d say it’s more about the people still around than the man himself. Each death can be a tragedy to someone, in this case it would be his immediate family, his friends, and the people in his community that like the Cheney the person, not necessarily the politician. Harris wanting to help with the pain those people are experiencing is a kind gesture to those people. Salt in the wound isn’t going to have any effect on Cheney, but it will on those still here that are experiencing pain from his passing.
Personally, I don’t want to be like those on the Right. I would rather live a life where each person’s life has value innately. Those who’s lives were negatively impacted and abruptly ended by the man’s policies have not experienced justice either. I can only hope we learn to be more caring than those who came before us to end the cycle of greed and violence.
You’re right, each person’s life has innate value. He caused the end of a million innocent lives. The value of his life is in the negatives.
You can offer condolences to the family without praising a pile of shit
Words of affirmation about the positive aspects about the man are not praises of his unjust actions. Building bridges sometimes involves seeing the good in the bad. People in Red, Purple, and Blue states that are diehard Republicans are people we will and do encounter every day.
Finding areas to build common ground helps to foster a stronger community. The common ground in this case being the loss of human life is awful, even for people that are strangers to me or may see me as an enemy. I believe that showing love in life and in death matters if we want to break down the barriers of separation.
It’s absolutely a way of handwavling the evil he did. It makes light of the abscess he was on society.
I’m not talking about your average voter, many of whom are victims of disinformation. I’m talking about a man who knowingly orchestrated a massive death toll through fraud and deceit, in exchange for money and the chance to abuse power.
Some people should not have theit free positive traits mentioned, as they were inconsequential compared to their atrocities.
I’ll also point out maga don’t like Cheney, they think he’s a rino. Democrats don’t like Cheney because of the war crimes and corruption. No one actually likes Cheney, there’s nothing to be gained by finding someone move to say about him. Just say nothing.
It’s absolutely a way of handwavling the evil he did. It makes light of the abscess he was on society.
I disagree about the hand waving part.
I’m not talking about your average voter, many of whom are victims of disinformation. I’m talking about a man who knowingly orchestrated a massive death toll through fraud and deceit, in exchange for money and the chance to abuse power.
I’m not saying he’s a good man by any stretch of the word, I’m that there’s not an issue with one person showing dignity to another in death.
Some people should not have theit free positive traits mentioned, as they were inconsequential compared to their atrocities.
I agree to an extent, that extent being the actual death of the person and speaking about aspects of their life where there was commonality at the time of their death.
I’ll also point out maga don’t like Cheney, they think he’s a rino. Democrats don’t like Cheney because of the war crimes and corruption. No one actually likes Cheney, there’s nothing to be gained by finding someone move to say about him. Just say nothing.
It’s not about gaining something. It’s about showing humanity to the people that knew him in his personal life. Showing you care about people dying isn’t a bad thing.
The problem with this is that none of it is rooted in reality. Pretty much everything you’ve said is just jibber jabber about your discomfort with being mean.
The right is not motivated by this gentle soothing of their pain. They don’t even remotely care about it. They gleefully jeer at us every time someone tries to take a hammer to a democrat’s head, every time black democrats in congress are murdered, every time Mexicans bound in chains are loaded single-file onto planes; they do not believe in this kindness you are affording them. It does not affect them.
When they complain about the public reaction to things like Charlie Kirk, they say those things because it bothers us, not because they care.
What this means is that the right gets to view themselves as strong, self-actualized, Roman warriors for
racismfreedom, and we are always putting the ball gag in our own mouths.It is a culture of disempowerment. I’m not saying Harris should be jeering necessarily, but she should not be doing whatever the hell this is. It serves no one.
This is just making a mountain out of a mole hill, imo. We don’t need to be like the Right about everything. I understand your sentiment but we can’t take a minute to say it’s a person that died?
I’m not saying we can’t be justifiably upset about bigotry and hate that comes from the other side. In fact we should be. But there are some things we can have standard about still and where we don’t need to mirror the worst offenders on the Right.
I don’t see it as having some kind of self-gag for showing empathy about death and the ways people lend a hand to others when they personally experience grief. There’s a billion justifiable things to say about who Cheney was and the magnitude of his actions as well as the harm caused, but that doesn’t mean need to jump on people wanting to show an ounce of kindness to his family and friends.
I’d say Harris isn’t even relevant to the main conversation to a degree. I doubt she wins the next primary if she enters it anyways. So her extending an olive branch couldn’t hurt imo.
I don’t want to be like those on the Right.
Then don’t celebrate war criminals, genocide, etc.
People on the right hate regular people for shitty reasons. That’s not what’s happening here.
Where is the celebration?
I said I don’t want to be like those on those the Right for their callousness.
I’m not saying you can’t hate the guy, I just don’t think it’s worth nitpicking a person, who is a politician, showing kindness after someone has died.
Yeah I’m sure all the people whos families died as a direct result of Cheney are glad American politicians are being so nice to him after he died to save his families feelings.
It cost her absolutely nothing to just stay silent, friend.
This isn’t building bridges though. No Republican is going to be moved or softened by this statement. It’s going to actively alienate the people who are supposed to like you though. The best move is to simply say nothing at all.
All this bullshit tells me is that those in power are still seeing this as nothing but business, like what we’re going through is simply a contract negotiation. No hard feelings. That they can watch their colleagues cause the death and misery of thousands and then leave that at the door and go grab a drink with that person.
It may or may not be building some bridges, I can’t say you’re wrong because there is a lot of truth in what you are saying, unfortunately.
The fact that politics is treated as a team sport by the Right, where this type of message of caring from Harris and other Democrats will just go to fade into the void, is part of the problem with the media and political sphere we have allowed to fester.
I feel that social media has opened the door to too much open hostility to acts of kindness. Strategizing around a best move politically rather than having an open heart, even to people that may hate you.
I think having an open heart means treating your interactions with others like it isn’t just business. I’m sure many politicians do have issues with the selfish and self-centered actions of one’s peers. I don’t think that necessarily reflects on the way people show kindness to one another when they experience a personal hardship or how they interact with their families. Maybe it’s Democrats trying to chip at the cold exterior with some of the Republicans; I personally don’t think politics will always be like they currently are where media plays up the divide.
I feel that social media has opened the door to too much open hostility to acts of kindness. Strategizing around a best move politically rather than having an open heart, even to people that may hate you.
It was Harris’ choice to post this publicly for people to react to. If it was simply about being kind then it could’ve been a private communication to the Cheney family directly.
It was performative at its core and woefully out of touch as well.
And people have agency for how they react as well. Being open about it can be seen as saying that it’s okay to show care for one another in times of personal tragedy. He was someone that Harris knew personally as well.
I’d say it’s pushing against-the-grain rather than out of touch. There is so much need out to play sides about every aspect of life. Some things don’t need to be about scoring points.
What leadership role is she in right now? I thought she was on a book selling tour.
I’m speaking to her actions, not her current role in public services. There’s something very apparent that is missing in government today and that thing is leadership.
Murder and war crimes are only “differences of opinion” among the worst criminals.
Those aren’t the views that were just “differences of opinion” that I was talking about. I was talking about what she said.
Christians really love to preach how moral they are by praising pedophiles, racists and racists, don’t they?
Fuck you respect and values. Respect is earned and values are knowing how to embrace the good and distancing yourself from the bad. Not your Hollywood version of it.
Ok.
Allow me to modify an old saying:
If you can’t say something nice about someone , without lying, then you shouldn’t say anything at all.
You can’t say anything nice about Dick Cheney without lying so just shut up.
The nice thing is that he can’t do any more harm now.
So Abe Lincoln was going to put Simon Cameron in his cabinet. Cameron was kind of a piece of shit, and so Thaddeus Stevens when he heard this got alarmed. When questioned about if he was really saying that Cameron would steal, Thaddeus Stevens thought for a minute and said, well, “I don’t think he would steal a red-hot stove.”
So the story got around because it is funny. Abe Lincoln in particular thought it was one of the funniest things he ever heard (also while he made Cameron Secretary of War) and told many people. So eventually of course it got back to Cameron. Cameron was pissed, and angrily demanded that Stevens take back the slur on his character.
So Thaddeus Stevens after Cameron had yelled at him said, “Well, he is very mad, and he made me promise to retract. I will now do so. I believe I told you he would not steal a red-hot stove. I now take that back.”
Who says that’s not her true opinion?
She did very openly get close to the Cheney familiy during her presidential campaign, so she might very well think that according to her own values he had done nothing wrong.
It seems to me that one of the core problems of the Democrat Party leadership which has led to their candidate being defeated once again by none other than Donald “Sex Offender” Trump, is exactly that their values are pretty much compatible with Cheney’s.
He was one of the few high-profile Republicans willing to stand by his condemnation of Trump after January 6th, even when the party came crawling back and that stance became a huge liability for him and his daughter. I can respect that.
Not doing one out 1000 horrible things is not worthy of respect.
In fact, opposing it fits Cheney’s character because his entire evil persona was based on getting everyone else to do his evil bidding within the working government. Someone trying to overthrow a system he manipulated was a personal attack by Trump. Cheney didn’t oppose it out of his love for America or anything, he opposed it because it undermined his life’s work and he took it personally.
Well it might have been two things.
Yeah. And Hitler liked his dog. Definitely peoples-is-peoples kind of things but if i was a global political figure i might err on the side of quiet for some sentiments.
Trump’s gonna bite it one of these days and when he does, any self-conscious politician who hopes to win office with a progressive bent better watch their fuckin p’s and q’s.
Democrats are mostly reasonable, and responsible, but as in the last forty years, there’s an opportunity to destroy fascists (like Cheney) and the more they ignore it the more they lose. It’s a fine line, to be sure, between “responsible tomorrow / better jobs” and “BLOOOOOOOD!!!”. But they need to have thought that through again because their consultants are old and broken.
Justice and Politics need to sort their shit out yesterday.
Hitler didn’t actually like his dog. Or… it’s complicated. He threatened to kill Blondi because someone else played with her, he would beat all his dogs or hit them with a riding whip when they were disobedient (he said “it was necessary”), and when he decided to kill himself with cyanide, he told the doctor to test the cyanide first on Blondi. She died.
He did seem like he emotionally enjoyed being with his dogs, but he was too much of a psychopath to really have a normal human-to-dog relationship with them or to give them actual affection in return. The whole thing of him being a dog lover was mostly Nazi propaganda.
Yeah okay well he was gakked to the gills for a few years there so yknow. But he killed himself . . . they say . . . right afterwards so i like to think he thought he was taking his dog with him. Although yeah a complete nutter and history’s greatest monster.
(Recent history’s greatest monster? Ok nerds, I hear you shifting uncomfortably, wanting to tell everyone about Stalin, Pol Pot, Napoleon etc etc. Just relax. )
…and she’s going to try to run in 28?
She’ll have better chances running as a republican at this point.
It’s fascinating to see her keep saying things that reveal the fatal flaw in her campaign. It’s not that she listened to her advisors back then, although they did give her bad advice. Rather, she’s lacking values that resonate with the majority of the American people. We all know that the old man was a terrible human being, and yeah, it is probably sad for his family that he passed away, but most of us would simply not say his name again. He earned no respect as a public figure, and we can treat ourselves with dignity by not bringing him up ever again.
Of course you also might want a trash talk him, because of all the horrible things he did, and that’s okay too. I think either approach is fine, but the one approach that’s not fine is whitewashing all the horrible things he did in his life.
I was always taught never to say anything about the dead unless it’s good. He’s dead. Good!
Moms Mabley
Stuff like this reminds me why they lose to fascists. When they like to say the proto-fascists are practicing politics correctly it really waters down their message and what is at stake.
He and his daughter put their necks on the line to support her. So I can only expect something like this.
