• James R Kirk@startrek.website
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    19 hours ago

    Sort of. The article is making the argument that on a cosmic timescale, one won’t even need a “great filter” to explain Fermi’s paradox. Any civilization with even a minuscule chance of eradicating itself will eventually do so given billions of years.

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      19 hours ago

      The way I understand this is that the Great Filter isn’t just about time, as this new theory is and you explained well. It’s about a specific barrier that most civilizations fail to pass.

      Going further, none of this explains, of course, some glaring issues (with both theories). Even if civilizations die out eventually, that doesn’t explain why we don’t see any signs of them:

      • No ruins, probes, artifacts, or lingering tech
      • No Dyson spheres or interstellar beacons
      • No signs of past galactic empires

      If billions of civilizations once existed, some should have left detectable traces, unless we really aren’t smart enough (yet?) to actually detect these signs. The “they all died eventually” argument doesn’t account for this.

      Also, this new theory (and the Great Filter, really), assumes all civilisations have the same vulnerabilities. What if:

      • Some develop robust safeguards?
      • Some spread across multiple star systems, as another poster mentioned here?
      • Some transcend biological limitations?

      If even a few civilizations overcome existential risks, they could persist. Maybe the rare earth theory holds more water. This all is a topic on its own.

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        you would have to be pretty advanced even for a space faring to make a dyson sphere around a star. in tng they never found the race that did it, STO doesnt really count.

      • ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org
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        13 hours ago
        • No ruins, probes, artifacts, or lingering tech
        • No Dyson spheres or interstellar beacons
        • No signs of past galactic empires

        Would we really be able to see any of these if they weren’t right in the immediate neighborhood?

        • Some transcend biological limitations?

        By inventing self-replicating machines, perhaps? :(