Then you need to cable all the roads of bits networks. That seems expensive. Incidentally the tram line my city is building will be battery powered for part of its route, as they’re not allowed to string pantograph wires in one area. It’s mostly on wires
It may seem expensive now but long term it pays off by having to not replace batteries as well as many external factors that good transit provides. I find the bigger pushback against overhead wires is how they look.
It’s not about being enough. Battery powered busses are very expensive and baterries need replacement and maintenance. Trolley buses are a cheaper investment in the long term. So it’s frustrating when new projects choose baterry buses instead of trolley buses. It always feels like corruption to me.
Yeah and it’ll cost millions to tear up the roads and install overhead wires for the bus, just to service 1 neighbourhood out of hundreds, where hardly anyone uses public transit as it is.
“It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not weakness, that is life.”
― Jean-Luc Picard
Sometimes we get stuck in local extrema. The biggest challenge facing the human race is not climate change, it’s collective action. Simply put, we’re unable to cooperate effectively enough on a large scale to be able to deal with these sorts of problems.
My city could invest billions of dollars in building a fully electric streetcar transit network and climate change could still proceed largely unabated due to the actions of other people in other areas. In that scenario, my city ends up losing because climate change happened and we wasted all that money on a system that didn’t stop climate change. This is the worse possible outcome so the rational thing (on an individual level, see game theory) to do is avoid it by doing nothing.
The best electric busses have electric lines overhead, so you don’t need big batteries.
Then you need to cable all the roads of bits networks. That seems expensive. Incidentally the tram line my city is building will be battery powered for part of its route, as they’re not allowed to string pantograph wires in one area. It’s mostly on wires
The cost is wayyyy less than letting cars on the road. And continuing the climate catastrophe
It may seem expensive now but long term it pays off by having to not replace batteries as well as many external factors that good transit provides. I find the bigger pushback against overhead wires is how they look.
It’s never enough for you people.
It’s not about being enough. Battery powered busses are very expensive and baterries need replacement and maintenance. Trolley buses are a cheaper investment in the long term. So it’s frustrating when new projects choose baterry buses instead of trolley buses. It always feels like corruption to me.
Trolley are better in a lot of cases, but not in all of the cases.
People love to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. They oppose incremental progress and preserve the status quo as a result.
Everything converges into either crabs or trains.
Trolley busses are also much better for steep inclines!
A lot less versatile and a lot more disruptive to the community.
Not entirely against them but I dont have them a the gold standard.
Kinda hard to do that in the suburbs.
Strong disagree. If you have telephone poles by the road, the power is already there
Power poles in the suburbs here (Canberra) run along back fences, they only exist near the road where they cross a road
Sydney might be able to hang wires over the road from it’s power poles; no idea if the poles are up to it
Of course they need to install overhead lines. But the power is already there. That’s the hardest part
No telephone poles anywhere near my house. Only along main roads at least 30 mins walk away.
All the household electrical wiring, internet, cable TV, telephone, natural gas, and water services are underground.
So yeah…power is already there
Yeah and it’ll cost millions to tear up the roads and install overhead wires for the bus, just to service 1 neighbourhood out of hundreds, where hardly anyone uses public transit as it is.
Don’t you realize how much it will cost us to not do that?
Sometimes we get stuck in local extrema. The biggest challenge facing the human race is not climate change, it’s collective action. Simply put, we’re unable to cooperate effectively enough on a large scale to be able to deal with these sorts of problems.
My city could invest billions of dollars in building a fully electric streetcar transit network and climate change could still proceed largely unabated due to the actions of other people in other areas. In that scenario, my city ends up losing because climate change happened and we wasted all that money on a system that didn’t stop climate change. This is the worse possible outcome so the rational thing (on an individual level, see game theory) to do is avoid it by doing nothing.
Well, that’s kind of the problem we’re trying to fix here
There are lots of people who use public transit in my city, they just don’t live in the suburbs.
Well, that’s kind of another problem we’re trying to fix here
But… But think about the battery megacorps!