Looks less and less like “worst of the worst” and has always been “brownest of the brown”.

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    Technically speaking, when you enter a country illegally without going through the process to get a green card, then it’s illegal. Sorry but that’s fact and if you think it isn’t, welp, you must really see the rules and laws far differently than what most see it as.

    I mean, you try going to any other country without a visa or passport, they’ll deem you the same too.

    Sorry but little meaningless downvotes don’t change facts either. : )

    Okay it really feels like people are just getting unnecessarily emotional and going for the jugular vein for no reason other than to be antagonistic so I’m just going to be blocking from now on.

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      Not every law is just or sensible. “It’s illegal” is a far weaker claim than “it’s morally wrong” or similar. People conflate the two.

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      Most people who are here without authorization entered legally and simply never left. Overstaying a visa is a serious infraction and can be grounds for being deported, but is not a crime.

      So it simply isn’t true to say that all these people are criminals.

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        Ugh, people and their emotionally overcharged and erratic misguided understanding of reality around them.

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      Please be sure to block me. If you don’t understand the massive chasm between the shit you just parroted and what’s actually happening with lack of due process or any kind of hearings, then I need to be on your block list.

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      What would I do to save my family from violence and poverty… jump a border? Of fucking course I would.

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      Technically, when you speed 1 mile an hour over the limit you have broken the law. It’s also a civil infraction, just like illegal immigration, in America.

      I hope you never ever go over. We should send you straight to prison, no trial. You’re guilty, you law breaking fuckwad stain on society!

      You’re ok with that scenario, right?

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      Dotard Trump blocked normal channels for claiming asylum (claiming asylum is legal), forcing people to cross to border at alternate points to escape death.

      He had his ghouls then arrest them for crossing illegally. Fuck off.

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      Technically, yes, that’s illegal according to laws some people in power made up. I don’t think that’s the question here though. Does it make you a criminal? Because that’s quite a big word and it’s used to manipulate people into thinking illegals are thugs. On vacation I stole a glass from a bar that pissed me off and I got a souvenir. When I drive I also sometimes break the law. Does this make me a criminal? If so I’m pretty sure by far most people are, no matter how law obedient they seem.

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        We live in a society of countless byzantine laws. It’s literally impossible to obey every single law 100% of the time.

        In this context, the term criminal loses all meaning.

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        I’m pretty sure like 90% of the population has broken traffic laws and also drank alcohol underage at some point

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      When passports and visas were created they were widely decried as government tyranny and promised to be a temporary wartime measure. And yet now people accept them as normal.

      If you think the government should control my personal freedom to travel then please justify that. Otherwise, fuck laws that infringe freedom without adequate justification.

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      Either way, it’s different than what Trump was saying he was going to do. All they were talking about was violent criminals, not people that were valuable members of the community. Now that’s all they’re getting is the valuable community members.