• Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
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    5 days ago

    I think the second post explains how their definition of “work” differs from yours.

    I think they define “work” as wage-labour.

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      5 days ago

      Maybe, but then if you abolish wage-labour, you just have a different type of work needed to survive. Either you’re going off-grid and living all on your own, which would mean you don’t have a lot, but you’re truly independent - or you’re part of a society where you don’t get paid a wage, but instead receive certain living conditions similar to everyone else’s, and you’re expected to work to the best of your ability.

      Yes, working for a wage is unnatural. But then being part of a large society with super specialized roles is unnatural. We’ve been doing unnatural for thousands of years now.

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        Maybe, but then if you abolish wage-labour, you just have a different type of work needed to survive

        The point is that this kind of work is less alienating.

        Either you’re going off-grid and living all on your own, which would mean you don’t have a lot, but you’re truly independent

        I’m not arguing for that, since it’s not a realistic scenario.

        or you’re part of a society where you don’t get paid a wage, but instead receive certain living conditions similar to everyone else’s, and you’re expected to work to the best of your ability.

        Cool, where do I sign up?

        Yes, working for a wage is unnatural. But then being part of a large society with super specialized roles is unnatural. We’ve been doing unnatural for thousands of years now.

        I don’t want to succumb to the naturalistic fallacy here. I think it makes people miserable, since it runs counter to our brain structure. I don’t think you can say the same thing about large societies (the amount of people you interact with has a natural limit and there’s a natural need for humans to be social).