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Governments and telling people how they’re allowed to dress. Name a more iconic duo.
Religion and telling people how they’re allowed to dress predates governments.
All religion should be banned.
Pretty hard to say since they both go so far back, and in past times there was no distinction between them.
Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world.
Banning religion is just replacing one master with another. No thanks.
Religion today is voluntary, at least in most of the world.
You often don’t have the autonomy to not participate in religion as a child if your parents want you to.
True but I mean no one respects child autonomy anyway, so we would need to levy that criticism far more widely if we want to take it seriously.
Plus I’m not sure I trust governments to protect child welfare more than their parents do. Parents are imperfect but when governments get it wrong the consequences are far more catastrophic.
yup. we need to listen to kids more and treat them with more respect and do more to protect their rights. dress codes don’t remotely accomplish this and do the opposite
With the lack of social acceptance for those of a different mindset, choosing differently usually makes one’s life significantly more difficult than is justifiable. Therefore, no - it may technically be “voluntary,” but the reality doesn’t come close to matching that ideal.
Fair but it’s still more voluntary than stupid attempts by the government to tell people how to dress.
The solution is to cultivate an educated, tolerant culture. This rule is a step in the opposite direction.
How we dress or adorn ourselves is a fundamental part of human freedom of expression and I think it needs to be taken way more seriously than it typically is in most societies.
I agree, but control freaks will do whatever it takes to have their way, and so will manipulate people in any way possible to reach that end - including preventing that open-minded culture from taking root. Just look at Murdock’s manipulation of the masses via his media empire for a blatant example.
Governments and telling people how they’re allowed to dress. Name a more iconic duo.
Judaism and male genital mutilation.
It’s a little weird to call out specific religions here for behavior they all engage in. Or at least all of the abrahamic ones, not as familiar with others.
Anyway yeah religions are bad but as long as we live in a world where they are voluntary and government is not then I’m going to be a bit more upset about one than the other.
It’s a little weird to call out specific religions here for behavior they all engage in.
First, some religions have worse track records than others. Second, your imploration was to “name a more iconic duo”, which you got. Third, what’s actually weird is FGM and kiddy fiddling.
religions are bad but as long as we live in a world where they are voluntary
Religion isn’t voluntary because it’s perpetuated by the indoctrination of children.
Well specifically with genital mutilation and pedophilia it seems to be common across all abrahamic religions (maybe not equally in every sect though).
We can quibble about what is truly voluntary but I just mean you’re free to stop participating any time. If you decide you no longer want to follow their silly rules then you don’t have to. Governments don’t have that option unless you want to leave the country but that’s not reasonable.
you’re free to stop participating any time. If you decide you no longer want to follow their silly rules then you don’t have to.
Sorry, nothing personal, but this is remarkably out of touch with reality. You frame it as being just as easy like not believing in Santa anymore. When children are raised in strict religious conditions it often means their entire identity and social structure is built around it. The slightest hint of doubt could mean negative repercussions, and wavering faith or leaving it has a high likelihood of being ostracized by the community. Not to speak of severe punishment. Moreover, brainwashed people lack the cognitive capabilities to question themselves. I’d even say the majority of humans struggle with this whether they are religious or not.
I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. I never said it was easy but society is chock full of people who have exited religion. For the ones that are more cultlike it may be more difficult but otherwise it’s fairly common for people to realize it’s nonsense and leave.
The ones where it’s truly borderline impossible are where the religion is intwined with the state. In Islamist countries you can be prosecuted for leaving your religion. But is that a problem with religion or with government? To some extent it’s both but the real issue is the ability of people to do violence to you with impunity. In modern society this is a feature of government and not religion.
society is chock full of people who have exited religion
Where the church and state has been separated the fear of doing so is decreased. This is not the case in all religious countries indeed. Hence why public education, which is state funded, should therefore be devoid of religion except for in history classes.
But is that a problem with religion or with government? To some extent it’s both but the real issue is the ability of people to do violence to you with impunity. In modern society this is a feature of government and not religion.
It’s religion that causes people to want to do violence, the government doesn’t interfere because it has been poisoned by that exact same religion.
Seems like Australia has been on quite a roll recently… now this decision is debatable i suppose but the social media ban is draconian and stupid
Edit; guess i misread lol, apologies
Austria, bud.
Different country. Gotta read carefully lol
Ah my bad 😭
For most families in the Eurosphere, if a boy wanted to go to school in a dress instead of pants, they would probably face significant social pressure to not do so.
Clearly this means that boys are being FORCED to wear pants and we should ban them from being worn.
/s
Unless someone can prove that some harm comes from wearing a frickin’ headscarf, this law is just racist bullshit.
Pre-adolescent girls in muslim countries usually don’t wear headscarves.
Religious freedom or gender equality, apparently you can only choose one.
My grandfather believed in a Hildegard von Bingen based religion that got him convinced putting rocks under his pillow and following a strict monotonous diet would be good for his health. He died.
“Men will continue to commit atrocities as long as they continue to believe absurdities.” ―Voltaire
All religion should be a thing of the past. If banning something is the best course of action I don’t know, but currently it would be something I’d vote yes to if I could; unless someone convinces me otherwise without using ad hominems, nonsensical claims such as being racist, or any other fallacies. I simply despise anything that makes humanity dumber.
To consider antireligion instead of atheism
“The harm of religion is historically evident whereas the presence or absence of gods is not. Ultimately, the continued existence of religion is predicated on the indoctrination of children and suppression of rational thought. Therefore, I am against religion but not necessarily against the idea of gods. For all we know gods are computer scientists and we are in their video game.” ―https://www.arscyni.cc/file/antireligion.html
