And Chinese citizens consistently poll as being more satisfied with their election options and outcomes than Americans. Honestly, when you’re at the point where you’re saying that China is authoritarian but worlds largest prison state USA isn’t, you’re basically just giving up the game that you’re using the word as a euphemism for “non-western”
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
Funny how it’s always “crumbling” but never actually crumbled. Non-western countries are full on authoritarian, but western countries are only ever “maybe heading in that direction, possibly” even when they do even worse shit than China ever did.
Why role I vote out the CPC? It’s incredibly fucking telling that your idea of “democracy” is an incredibly popular party being removed from power because westerners don’t like them. Chinese citizens absolutely could vote them out if they wanted, but the in the western white supremacists idea of democracy, only the opinion of westerners matters.
How about you go ahead and vote out capitalist parties in the West, if they’re such great democracies?
“Why would I vote out [authoritarian government]? It’s a very popular government!” -every authoritarian supporter, ever
And there is a very major difference between one party that controls who gets on the ballot and a swath of parties that agree on a certain economic principle, that’s a false equivalency. And there have been capitalist parties voted out in the West, so even with that false pretext your argument is moot.
Oh, and stop putting words into my mouth. Things I never wrote:
Western democracies are maybe heading in that direction, possibly -> yeah, they’re not a monolithic block, different countries are different, just like Asian countries are not a monolithic block - and backsliding into authoritarianism isn’t something that happens overnight
My idea of democracy is a popular party being removed -> no, my idea of democracy is that the people have the right to chose a different party and to publicly voice dissent
…because westerners don’t like them -> no, because I believe humans have a right to chose who governs them
“Why would I vote out [authoritarian government]? It’s a very popular government!” -every authoritarian supporter, ever
So you’re just straight up admitting that you don’t care if the government is popular: you don’t like it, so it has to go
And there have been capitalist parties voted out in the West, so even with that false pretext your argument is moot.
Lol. When?
Western democracies are maybe heading in that direction, possibly -> yeah, they’re not a monolithic block, different countries are different, just like Asian countries are not a monolithic block - and backsliding into authoritarianism isn’t something that happens overnight
I have no idea how you managed to miss the point the completely and absolutely.
no, my idea of democracy is that the people have the right to chose a different party
Ah. So actually being able to choose policy doesn’t matter; what matters is being able to choose between red team and blue team
no, because I believe humans have a right to chose who governs them
And the people of China have chosen the CPC. But you’ll never accept that, because they’re not who you want them to choose. You will never accept that China is democratic unless it’s run by people you like.
Obligatory “but at what cost!”
And Chinese citizens consistently poll as being more satisfied with their election options and outcomes than Americans. Honestly, when you’re at the point where you’re saying that China is authoritarian but worlds largest prison state USA isn’t, you’re basically just giving up the game that you’re using the word as a euphemism for “non-western”
“What’s it like living in North Korea?” “Can’t complain”
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
Yeah but that’s just kgb propaganda
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I figured I’d have a go at brainless dismissal like most of my interactions with others from .ml
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Thank you for proving my point, you didn’t need to though
Lol why tf do I even try to engage in good faith when responding like that makes them blue screen 😂
Lol did you even read my comment? I specifically said the US democracy is crumbling. Three guesses as to what democracy crumbles into.
But yeah OK, China is a great democracy, go ahead and vote out the CCP. I’ll wait.
So you know nothing of Chinese politics or its party
Funny how it’s always “crumbling” but never actually crumbled. Non-western countries are full on authoritarian, but western countries are only ever “maybe heading in that direction, possibly” even when they do even worse shit than China ever did.
Why role I vote out the CPC? It’s incredibly fucking telling that your idea of “democracy” is an incredibly popular party being removed from power because westerners don’t like them. Chinese citizens absolutely could vote them out if they wanted, but the in the western white supremacists idea of democracy, only the opinion of westerners matters.
How about you go ahead and vote out capitalist parties in the West, if they’re such great democracies?
“Why would I vote out [authoritarian government]? It’s a very popular government!” -every authoritarian supporter, ever
And there is a very major difference between one party that controls who gets on the ballot and a swath of parties that agree on a certain economic principle, that’s a false equivalency. And there have been capitalist parties voted out in the West, so even with that false pretext your argument is moot.
Oh, and stop putting words into my mouth. Things I never wrote:
That guy is a known ragebaiter, Fyi
I was wondering, good to know, thanks.
So you’re just straight up admitting that you don’t care if the government is popular: you don’t like it, so it has to go
Lol. When?
I have no idea how you managed to miss the point the completely and absolutely.
Ah. So actually being able to choose policy doesn’t matter; what matters is being able to choose between red team and blue team
And the people of China have chosen the CPC. But you’ll never accept that, because they’re not who you want them to choose. You will never accept that China is democratic unless it’s run by people you like.
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Ok, I’m done here. No point trying to talk to someone who’s deliberately playing dumb