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It’s true in the sense that it’s fantastic at laying down a template for your ideas, which you can then refine and finesse yourself.
The only issue is what capitalism is doing with it. I use AI a lot for my daily job, but it fills me with dread knowing how limited my future is because of it.
The Luddites didn’t smash all those machines because they were afraid of them. They were more than happy to use the fancy new tools to make them more efficient. They just didn’t want to sacrifice their standard of living to do it.
I don’t trust anyone who talks about ‘creators’ instead of artists.
It’s because of the commodification. They don’t recognize art, only content and units of sellable culture. And because of the implication that they expect a cut, unearned.
I fucking hate the unquestioned assumption that speed and efficiency are always better and that everyone should strife for them. Maybe i like the process, maybe i like taking things slow and not rushing stuff, be that programming or art or whatever.
Plus in most cases, efficiency doesn’t reflect in your bottom line anyways, just the share holders, but we’ve been so brainwashed to see it as a virtue
curious that every single artist i know hates this shit
Ai conceptual art is still scraped from artists who physically made the art in the first place . Without humans building art by hand it wouldn’t have existed.
I literally saw the word Disney plastered in a language learning ‘AI’ story on YouTube. It wasn’t even Disney related material. That’s how bad and lazy it is at scraping. It’s even scraping the logos from the creators it’s stealing from.
It’s not AI. It hasn’t created anything. So we should stop calling it that.
It’s just plaigerism. Just call it plaigerism. “I plaigerized a story. I plaigerized all the concepts for it” stop pretending you created a damned thing. You’re fooling nobody
(Directed at the original post, not the OP who posted it here)
But the AI also tells stories. So even if your story is great, it will be drowned in thousands of AI slop stories. Publishing houses can already not screen new novels anymore because they are getting flooded with hundreds of AI generated books every day (complete with AI generated, fake authors).
Cuban used AI to prepare to go on Pablo Torre’s podcast and made an ass out of himself, so I don’t trust his evaluation of AI’s capabilities.
As an artist, I LOVE being told what i should like and not like by an out-of-touch never-been-cool rich asshole. Thanks, dickwad!
This is in fact an insidious form of gatekeeping. It is shutting out people who are excited to learn new skills and become the next generation of creative people by collaborating with other talented humans, receiving apprenticeship, and being rewarded for their labor. Their opportunities and newfound capabilities are being thwarted by the slop machines, and it stinks.
There is no gatekeeper like a Capitalist trying to convince you that Yet More Automation™ is good for everybody!
The number of gatekeeper will never hit zero. The model owners become the new gatekeepers.
It’s the reason why we’ve moved to data centers over physical hardware for people. Control.
I also wonder what he would think about right wing chuds “gatekeeping” their fandoms by being absolutely toxic pieces of shits to everyone.
I hate upvoting these things but they’re in a f AI community so it’s appropriate
AI makes uncreative people pretend to be creative.
It makes them create stuff that looks like shit to the trained eye, but is good or good enough for them, thus they don’t have to pay money to an actual professional. That doesn’t only relate to art, but to IT stuff as well. If you want it done right, hire a professional.
It’s the same with the “but my nephew can do it for a tenth of the price”-folks.
This is exactly what my friend who was a copywriter told me several years ago; now he manages the company’s AI production pipeline. They mostly do b2b. But essentially, the AI even then could produce stuff that was 80% good for 10% of the money, and infinitely quicker and scalable. And that’s plenty good for what they’re doing. So several people lost their jobs, the content quality drops, but the C suite makes money and nobody cares about the “craftsmanship” of the work.
Wait until they find out they can replace management even better
Just an anecdote, but recently, there have been many “crochet” 3D models posted to 3D printing sites. (Many of those are marked as AI-generated, too) Those look nothing like a crochet toy would look like. These models have a yarn-looking “V” pattern applied to every surface of 3D model, but this pattern comes not from crochet, but from hand-knit blankets (as far as I can tell).
I hate those people with a passion. Don’t flood my printables, you idiots!
creating something yourself also feels way more satisfying cause you can see your own progress in those creations
Putting effort in it is what makes it art. You as an artist has decided making this piece is worth your time. ”Art” without effort is just disposable slop.
mark has a vested interest in the success of AI. anything he says is for the enrichment of his investments.
don’t listen to mark, he’s a shill.
With the amount of energy put into GenAI and the sheer bulk of content generated, why don’t advocates have at least one example of something artistically interesting, unique, or beautiful to showcase their claims? Has it yet made anything of cultural importance that will illicit more than a chuckle and a ‘like’?
It seems to me I keep hearing non-artists assert that this will be a great thing for art, while real artists who disagree are labeled Luddites or not genuinely creative in some way. It’s frustrating to watch them openly say easily disprovable things. This isn’t speculative anymore these systems have been in production for years at this point. Let’s look at the actual results.
I have a buddy that’s a professional singer/song writer & producer. He went out of town a few weeks ago to collaborate for a day or two with another producer. I don’t think he knew in advance but it turns out this other guy is pretty into AI music production. My friend (again: a professional artist and indie music producer) was really impressed with how useful it was. Sorry that this is an anonymous anecdote and not data but yeah some people have found ways to use AI to help them make art.
I’ve seen demos of software that uses AI to split a song into multiple tracks, one for each instrument. THAT is pretty cool. It’s not lossless, you’re going to lose some of the human performance because the AI has to reconstruct the sound for each instrument and it’s not going to be 100% perfect, but it’s a really neat (and useful) tool.
Notably, it’s not the kind of thing you generally see when tech bros are touting AI.
🤷 Let’s hear it.
I can ask him more about it when I see him at bowling on Thursday. But please understand I’m not claiming AI is good, I’m just reporting that some artists find it useful. I’m not sure that their final cut has any ai sound in it, they may have just used it to workshop their idea.
It actually does cause brain damage. I mentioned it in an essay (What if I paid for all my free software?):
For one, power causes brain damage which renders rich people literally incapable of knowing what is best for others:
“Subjects under the influence of power, he found in studies spanning two decades, acted as if they had suffered a traumatic brain injury—becoming more impulsive, less risk-aware, and, crucially, less adept at seeing things from other people’s point of view.”
“And when he put the heads of the powerful and the not-so-powerful under a transcranial-magnetic-stimulation machine, he found that power, in fact, impairs a specific neural process, “mirroring,” that may be a cornerstone of empathy.” ―Power Causes Brain Damage, by Jerry Useem for The Atlantic.[16]
I greatly enjoyed your essay and found it thought-provoking. I dug through the references regarding power and its effect on the brain (and loss of empathy), and it was both surprising to find it was researched/established scientifically and not-so-surprising in that it explains so much of these people’s behavior.
Cheers
it explains so much of these people’s behavior
Indeed. For me, realizing the cause of problems continues to be instrumental to keep things in perspective when solutions are often too complex to contemplate. However, in this case the conclusion is clear: a wealth/power cap has to become normalized. The inverse of vaccinations, you take money away so the indefinite growth mind virus doesn’t grab hold to infect or impact society.
Thank you for having invested time and thought into my essay, it makes it all worthwhile, truly.
The point of art isn’t getting it done quickly. It’s the journey, the painstaking hours and the satisfaction of the finished piece.
The only people who think making art faster is good are marketing ghouls.
Well said. I mean, the thing produced is literally called a WORK (of art).
Yeah I think people like this see a book written by a human that took them a year to write and sold 1,000 copies and an AI that farts out 500 books in a day and sells 1,000 copies in total as essentially the same thing, except that the AI one is superior to them because it happened faster. Never mind that now Amazon is flooded with the 500 books the AI just made so nobody else can get seen, tomorrow we’ll just just make 1,000 books.
I kind of had that realization the other day. Art is just people taking time to make something, good or bad. What makes it valuable is the time + their ability. It is effectively a monetary battery of your time, charge it up with time, sell it for money.
The value is also partly the literal structure that you’ve built into your brain to have the skill set necessary to do that work.
Building skill in art is as profoundly impactful on your neurology as learning a new language or sciences.
Just goes to show it wasn’t intelligence that made them rich.
