Years ago, had a guy in the young democrats club try to spin lobbying in a positive light, I just kept asking why TF we needed legalized bribery in politics.
They will keep proposing solutions until the problem is solved. Notice how everytime its voted down they try a different idea? Thats how its supposed to work.
Do you really think criminals will just continue using chat apps knowing they are being constantly scanned?
Of course not! They will find different ways to communicate. Criminals won’t just disappear. This DOESN’T solve crime AT ALL.
This is such a fucking stupid political argument and people are falling for it. “Oh yes, if we introduce mass surveillance, there won’t be any more terrorists or pedophiles”
It’s pure mass surveillance that doesn’t solve the problem and has zero benefit for the society.
This is the same solution to the problem. By only proposing the same solution over and over it’s pretty clear they just want full access to messaging. If it was actually about the children or security or whatever they would be attempting more privacy friendly alternatives
Lucky for me, it’s my role or job to pitch them, and I do not need to pitch them to you. You are more than welcome to read the EFF’s writeup on alternatives yourself.
Could you send the link to the writeup you’re referencing?? I can’t find it. There’s a whole bunch of EFF pages about Chat Control, but I can’t find one specifically about alternatives.
You’re clearly trying to bait me into some argument which is why I have no interest in finding resources to show you. I’m not biting. I get some references, you try to tell me it’s bunk or it won’t work, I’m just not feeling it today. I don’t feel like being trolled or pulled into your anger circle. So, won’t respond anymore. Have a pleasant day!
First I was asking for an example of a better solution, because I’m not aware of one and it would be nice to learn about one.
The next reply was me being sarcastic because instead of just giving a quick explanation of an idea, you dismissed me and told me to essentially “google it”. Since you aren’t treating me in good faith, I replied in kind.
Maybe when you are feeling better you can give this another shot. Have a better day.
Agreed - This feels like “we will keep voting on this until we pass it”
Yeah, it feels like that because that’s exactly what it is. It’s a huge waste of time and money.
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Years ago, had a guy in the young democrats club try to spin lobbying in a positive light, I just kept asking why TF we needed legalized bribery in politics.
They will keep proposing solutions until the problem is solved. Notice how everytime its voted down they try a different idea? Thats how its supposed to work.
This isn’t a problem that needs to be solved.
Do you really think criminals will just continue using chat apps knowing they are being constantly scanned?
Of course not! They will find different ways to communicate. Criminals won’t just disappear. This DOESN’T solve crime AT ALL.
This is such a fucking stupid political argument and people are falling for it. “Oh yes, if we introduce mass surveillance, there won’t be any more terrorists or pedophiles”
It’s pure mass surveillance that doesn’t solve the problem and has zero benefit for the society.
Feel free to keep voting it down then.
It’s not us who’s voting on these issues. It’s pretty obvious you don’t understand how the process works. Why do you keep discussing it?
Excpet the “problem” they’re trying to solve is to enable them to sueveil anyone.
Encyption for them, not for you.
The problem they want to “solve” is the ability to surveil everyone, which is impossible as long as netcat and gpg exist
Sounds a bit conspiratorial to me but thats just my opinion on it.
And the problem Here is what exactly?
This is the same solution to the problem. By only proposing the same solution over and over it’s pretty clear they just want full access to messaging. If it was actually about the children or security or whatever they would be attempting more privacy friendly alternatives
Do you have an example of a privacy friendly alternative?
Lucky for me, it’s my role or job to pitch them, and I do not need to pitch them to you. You are more than welcome to read the EFF’s writeup on alternatives yourself.
Could you send the link to the writeup you’re referencing?? I can’t find it. There’s a whole bunch of EFF pages about Chat Control, but I can’t find one specifically about alternatives.
Wow very helpful. Thanks for advocating for your cause so effectively. Clearly your rhetoric will win the day.
You’re clearly trying to bait me into some argument which is why I have no interest in finding resources to show you. I’m not biting. I get some references, you try to tell me it’s bunk or it won’t work, I’m just not feeling it today. I don’t feel like being trolled or pulled into your anger circle. So, won’t respond anymore. Have a pleasant day!
I can clarify.
First I was asking for an example of a better solution, because I’m not aware of one and it would be nice to learn about one.
The next reply was me being sarcastic because instead of just giving a quick explanation of an idea, you dismissed me and told me to essentially “google it”. Since you aren’t treating me in good faith, I replied in kind.
Maybe when you are feeling better you can give this another shot. Have a better day.