A set of merge requests were opened that would effectively drop X.Org (X11) session support for the GNOME desktop and once that code is removed making it a Wayland-only desktop environment.

Going along with Fedora 40 looking to disable the GNOME X11 session support (and also making KDE Plasma 6 Wayland-only for Fedora), upstream GNOME is evaluating the prospect of disabling and then removing their X11 session support.

Some concerns were raised already how this could impact downstream desktops like Budgie and Pantheon that haven’t yet fully transitioned over to Wayland. In any event we’ll see where the discussions lead but it’s sure looking like 2024 will be the year that GNOME goes Wayland-only.

  • bigboismith@lemmy.world
    3727·
    1 year ago

    Unpopular opinion but

    WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE! Seriously. How hard is this rule to understand?

    • Linus Torvalds

    Forcing Nvidia to update drivers by breaking your system otherwise us not the correct way to do it.

    • fl42v@lemmy.ml
      253·
      1 year ago

      Well, there are better reasons for getting rid of fossil software… Like xorg being a giant clusterhack :)

      • taladar@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        85·
        1 year ago

        Still not convinced Wayland won’t end up the side-line fossil to be perfectly frank. It just isn’t compatible enough considering how long it has been developed and the “every compositor needs to essentially implement the whole protocol itself” model seems like a huge design flaw.

        • wiki_me@lemmy.mlEnglish
          52·
          1 year ago

          the “every compositor needs to essentially implement the whole protocol itself” model seems like a huge design flaw.

          It’s amazing that wayland have been developed for so long (even though work on the desktop ecosystem is more recent) and this misconception still exists, lemmy need to try to do something to solve Brandolini’s law .

          • taladar@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            42·
            1 year ago

            Well, it would certainly help if you explained in what way that is a misconception. I mean obviously they can share part of the implementation via libraries but where else do you see that as a misconception?

        • Communist@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          1 year ago

          every compositor needs to essentially implement the whole protocol itself

          This is also how X11 works if you choose not to use x.org… wayland is a protocol, the equivalent you’re looking for is wlroots.

          If you use wlroots, you don’t have to do any of that.

          As for why kde/wlroots/gnome are separate… x.org used to have multiple implementations too, until one took over and became used everywhere. Wlroots is the equivalent to x.org, and shares many implementation details with kde, gnome is the only odd one out, and both kde and gnomes implementations only exist because they came before wlroots.

    • aard@kyu.de
      141·
      1 year ago

      User space is not breaking often enough for nvidia users. If it’d break regularly maybe users would either buy something with proper support, or force nvidia to open their stuff so it can be maintained like the rest, and no longer is a roadblock for progress.

      • Vilian@lemmy.ca
        5·
        1 year ago

        nvidia has open-drivers, it’s shit, but they have

        (sometimes i go there to laugh)

        maybe these push can make nvidia fix the problems