The attacks weren’t perpetrated by a free Palestinian people or some recognized advocacy group, but by an extremist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood that has been pushed by Israel for decades.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Palestine doesn’t have a strong democratic tradition to begin with. Additionally, Hamas is only governing Gaza, not the West Banks. Hamas also suppresses secular Freedom organizations. And ~50% of the people in Gaza wouldnt even be able to vote out Hamas since they are under 18. Then we have the case of Hamas indoctrination, which finds fertile soil in the impoverished and destitute Gaza youth.
All of that isn’t to say I support Hamas. I am quite vocal in my disdain for them. But Israel plays a significant part in their success. So does Iran. And let’s not forget that the religious right has been torpedoing a resolution aswell, not just the Jihadist organization Hamas. Rabin wasn’t killed by a palestinian hardliner.
You don’t. War is a blunt instrument. If you went door-to-door and mapped out households with different-colored thumbtacks, your enemy would take the advantage and strike at you while you worried about it.
Being attacked by a terrorist isn’t an excuse to act like a terrorist. You don’t get to murder children because someone else did. And you don’t get to use war as an excuse.
When did the Palestinians vote last? What were the demographics of that vote? Are you completely confident it was a purely democratic vote or was it the kind of democracy Putin got voted by? Perhaps the kind kim was voted in by? Or do you think Palestinians have an electoral college like the US?
I did my best to avoid Israeli sources when finding these polls for that exact reason. If you’re going to ignore the evidence I’ve given you in response to your claims, there is no further point in engaging with you.
The attacks weren’t perpetrated by a free Palestinian people or some recognized advocacy group, but by an extremist wing of the Muslim Brotherhood that has been pushed by Israel for decades.
And the Palestinians vote them in.
If White Southerners are responsible for the Civil War, the Palestinian people bear responsibility for choosing a genocidal majority.
My sympathy for the Palestinians only goes so far—it ends with their ballot box.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Palestine doesn’t have a strong democratic tradition to begin with. Additionally, Hamas is only governing Gaza, not the West Banks. Hamas also suppresses secular Freedom organizations. And ~50% of the people in Gaza wouldnt even be able to vote out Hamas since they are under 18. Then we have the case of Hamas indoctrination, which finds fertile soil in the impoverished and destitute Gaza youth.
All of that isn’t to say I support Hamas. I am quite vocal in my disdain for them. But Israel plays a significant part in their success. So does Iran. And let’s not forget that the religious right has been torpedoing a resolution aswell, not just the Jihadist organization Hamas. Rabin wasn’t killed by a palestinian hardliner.
“Strong democratic tradition”? So you’re arguing that they were too stupid to vote is what you’re saying?
Hamas’ charter explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel.
They don’t want a resolution.
Just as all US citizens are responsible for ongoing drone strikes etc
If they vote for candidates who support them, then yes, the body politic is responsible.
Democracy comes with responsibility.
How do you know which candidate I voted for before you blow up my house?
You don’t. War is a blunt instrument. If you went door-to-door and mapped out households with different-colored thumbtacks, your enemy would take the advantage and strike at you while you worried about it.
Being attacked by a terrorist isn’t an excuse to act like a terrorist. You don’t get to murder children because someone else did. And you don’t get to use war as an excuse.
When did the Palestinians vote last? What were the demographics of that vote? Are you completely confident it was a purely democratic vote or was it the kind of democracy Putin got voted by? Perhaps the kind kim was voted in by? Or do you think Palestinians have an electoral college like the US?
2006. They were judged free and fair by observers. Hamas won the majority, to the surprise of many outside the region.
So you’re fine with a nearly 20 year old vote, when the majority of the population is under 20, being the justification for “they chose Hamas?”
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I don’t trust polls in the US why should I trust them anywhere else? I’m talking about votes, things that have a chance to change things.
I did my best to avoid Israeli sources when finding these polls for that exact reason. If you’re going to ignore the evidence I’ve given you in response to your claims, there is no further point in engaging with you.
Israeli sources aren’t the only problem with polls. Polls are pretty notoriously bad.