You’re ignoring the giant green circle on the sign, which means you yield on green solid, not green arrow. Green arrows give you right of way. If you’re in the US and drive, please learn the road signs
Not arguing about what the actual traffic laws are. I am arguing that this is objectively confusing design. “Left turn yield on green (CIRCLE)” does not mean that left turn yields on green. It means, “when turning left, but the solid light is green, and the left turn arrow is not lit up, yield to oncoming traffic. But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield.” So you literally do not yield on green.
Sure you can just tell people to “please learn the road signs” no matter how terrible… or we can acknowledge that this is an asinine design. I have no idea why anyone would spend energy defending this.
The thing is, you’re not putting a dissertation on one of these signs. You’re already supposed to yield on a solid green if you’re turning left without a green arrow, that’s already the law. This sign is a reminder for the stupid people about something they’re already supposed to do, not allow someone who’s never driven in their life to learn the laws as they go.
But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield
If I remember correctly, both lights would never be lit at the same time. It’s either a green circle (yield) or a green arrow (right of way) just like literally every other intersection in existence ever.
A driver that doesn’t know the standard road signs and road laws is more dangerous. Stopping in the middle of the road to figure out what a common sign means isn’t being careful, it’s being a bad driver and making the road more dangerous for everyone else.
This would most likely be in its own turn lane, as you don’t want turning traffic that has to sometimes yield for oncoming to block others going straight. The lights give two different conditions, one where the driver has right-of-way (the arrow), and the other where it’s up to the driver to determine conditions before proceeding.
In my area instead of this setup we now have two lights - one is a green arrow alone for right to turn, and the other is a yellow flashing arrow meaning to turn with caution only when it’s clear. And while that may sound more obvious, when they were initially put up people had a lot of trouble with it. Just like when the first roundabouts started popping up. Now both are common and part of normal driving.
You’re ignoring the giant green circle on the sign, which means you yield on green solid, not green arrow. Green arrows give you right of way. If you’re in the US and drive, please learn the road signs
Not arguing about what the actual traffic laws are. I am arguing that this is objectively confusing design. “Left turn yield on green (CIRCLE)” does not mean that left turn yields on green. It means, “when turning left, but the solid light is green, and the left turn arrow is not lit up, yield to oncoming traffic. But if the solid light is green and the left turn arrow is lit, then do not yield.” So you literally do not yield on green.
Sure you can just tell people to “please learn the road signs” no matter how terrible… or we can acknowledge that this is an asinine design. I have no idea why anyone would spend energy defending this.
I interpret the sign correctly and would still strongly argue that it is a bad sign. I appreciate what you have added to the conversation!
Its a bad sign. I agree.
The thing is, you’re not putting a dissertation on one of these signs. You’re already supposed to yield on a solid green if you’re turning left without a green arrow, that’s already the law. This sign is a reminder for the stupid people about something they’re already supposed to do, not allow someone who’s never driven in their life to learn the laws as they go.
“Left turn yield until (left arrow)”
So if it’s red you can turn but just have to yield?
No, red means stop.
If I remember correctly, both lights would never be lit at the same time. It’s either a green circle (yield) or a green arrow (right of way) just like literally every other intersection in existence ever.
What are you taking about? Plenty of intersections are green on left turn and straight at the same time.
If you’re in the US and drive, I’m shocked you aren’t respectful of a careful driver.
A driver that doesn’t know the standard road signs and road laws is more dangerous. Stopping in the middle of the road to figure out what a common sign means isn’t being careful, it’s being a bad driver and making the road more dangerous for everyone else.
I figured it out. This just isnt common where I live, my road would have a turning lane.
This would most likely be in its own turn lane, as you don’t want turning traffic that has to sometimes yield for oncoming to block others going straight. The lights give two different conditions, one where the driver has right-of-way (the arrow), and the other where it’s up to the driver to determine conditions before proceeding.
In my area instead of this setup we now have two lights - one is a green arrow alone for right to turn, and the other is a yellow flashing arrow meaning to turn with caution only when it’s clear. And while that may sound more obvious, when they were initially put up people had a lot of trouble with it. Just like when the first roundabouts started popping up. Now both are common and part of normal driving.