• Candelestine@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    tbf, every actual neo-nazi is probably doing everything they can to further piss off Israel. It’s just a convenient opportunity is all, if someone is actually a hater.

    They’re not anywhere close to the majority, the majority just wants to save lives. But they’re loud and sometimes clever, and good at hijacking other people’s causes.

    Both anti-semitism and anti-arabism exist, and both are bigotry, because all Jews and all Arabs are not the same, and will never all be the same. Any more than all Americans are the same.

    It’s a hard world though, right? Means we’re going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it. That’s just how hard it is, and how little it cares about anyone’s wishes for it to be simpler.

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      It’s a hard world though, right? Means we’re going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it.

      Reminds me of this: “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong” - H.L. Menken

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      I think the post is not quite about that.

      Anti-semitism exists, absolutely yes. But condemning the state of Israel of war crimes is not example of one, no matter how Israeli government tries to twist it.

      If you support the action of Israel against the civilians of Palestine, it doesn’t matter if you’re a Jew or not - you deserve the scorn you get.

      If you’re a Jew and you do not support this hell, I’m very sorry if you get any hostility directed to you, you’re a victim too. You deserve love and safety. Condemnation of the actions of Israel is in no way directed at you.

      But Israeli military generals and government should face international trial for what they’ve done. It is crazy somebody in their right mind dares to support them in the 21st century.

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        Agreed. I was just wanting to point out that not everyone who seems to be criticizing Israel for war crimes actually cares about war crimes in the slightest, it’s more about what is actually a rare chance to simply hurt Jewish people in an actually substantial way. Since this small minority of actually severely anti-semitic people is extremely passionate about their beliefs, they are a surprisingly loud and disruptive force in what should otherwise be straightforward criticism of valid war crimes.

        Many Israelis are emotionally devastated atm, which is one of the factors behind their irrational behavior imo. This makes them vulnerable to being pushed too far, by simply making them even angrier. They are not currently stable, at all. It’s a collective madness of sorts, and it should be approached with care, not trolling.

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          Agreed, that’s valid.

          Emotional reactions sometimes lead people way too far, and I should’ve mentioned that as well.

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        Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all “Semitic people” (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. ‘antisemitism’) was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.

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          Germans with poor latin doesn’t change the meaning of words. Just like claiming something is “erroneous” doesn’t make it so.

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            The meaning is “anti-Judaism” though. You’re the one wanting to define it differently. Be my guest, but it’s just good to know what the term means when people use it.

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            “Anti-” is a Greek prefix and semitic is a French loanword (“sémitique”) with a Hebrew root (שם - “shém” meaning name).

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      Too many people see the world in black and white. You are either good or evil. Every person is both good and evil, but the media and propagandists want you to see one side as pure evil. Obviously it works because I see these kinds of posts everywhere. I don’t see it getting any better since everyone carries a handheld propaganda machine with them all the time.

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        So, in YOUR opinion, there are good things about Nazis. Good fucking job showing the world what you truly are.

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          I’m someone who knows that every person is both good and bad, and it’s a struggle that every one has. Looking at things as black and white, and every human struggle as being a fight against good and evil is a very misplaced, and dangerous way of thinking.

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    It’s the exact same shit as people complaining that CRT is “white-blaming.”

    No, the problem isn’t inherently who you are, the problem is what you’re complicit in doing.