I’ve been using Linux Mint since forever. I’ve never felt a reason to change. But I’m interested in what persuaded others to move.

  • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    659·
    1 year ago

    Most of them.

    • Debian world - apt sucks. For something with a sole purpose of resolving a dependency tree, it’s surprisingly bad at that.

    • Redhat world - everything is soooo old. I can see why business people like it, buy I rarely, if ever, agree with business people.

    • Opensuse world - I’ve only tried it once, probably 15 years ago. Didn’t really know my way around computers all that much at the time, but it didn’t click and I’ve left it. Later on I found out about their selling out to Microsoft and never bothered touching it again.

    • Arch - it was my daily for a year or two. Big fan. It still runs my email. At some point the size of packages started to annoy me, though. Still has the best wiki. I’ve never really bothered with the spinoffs, as the model of Arch makes them useless and more problematic to deal with.

    I’ve got the Gentoo bug now. For the first time I genuinely feel ~/. A lean, mean system of machines :)

    • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
      43·
      1 year ago

      never really bothered with the spinoffs, as the model of Arch makes them useless and more problematic to deal with

      I highly enjoy using EndeavourOS. But then again, I wouldn’t classify it as a spinoff, it’s pretty much vanilla Arch, but purple.

      Now Manjaro on the other hand… Tried it and understood why so many people don’t like it within the first week.

      • estebanlm@lemmy.ml
        142·
        1 year ago

        Mind to elaborate a little bit more about the Manjaro problem? I am driving it since a couple of years without any issue but I keep hearing this… now I am afraid :)

        • Samueru@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          Most stories of people having manjaro break involve nvidia and not knowing how to build kernel entries.

        • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
          45·
          1 year ago

          Keep using it if it works for you.

          Manjaro detractors are usually:

          • People who do stuff they shouldn’t, like using non-recommended kernel or driver versions or replace critical system components from AUR, then blame it on the distro when stuff breaks.
          • People who don’t understand how AUR works and think that Manjaro holding back binary packages for a couple of weeks has any effect on AUR (which is built from source…)
          • People who can’t get over the times when they didn’t renew their certs or when they accidentally DDoS’ed the AUR. It doesn’t matter if the distro is good or not. Those instances of carelessness should be held against it forever.
          • People who can’t stand the fact it’s a commercial distro.
          • People who can’t stand the thought of any Arch-based distro that dares to do anything different from Arch (other than make the install easier, that one seems to be acceptable for some reason; but there are more extreme people who dislike that too).
      • tutus@links.hackliberty.org
        81·
        1 year ago

        Now Manjaro on the other hand… Tried it and understood why so many people don’t like it within the first week.

        I see this a lot and nobody really ever explains, properly, why.

        I have used Linux off and on for many years (mainly server OS such as RHEL and CentOS). I have now migrated from Windows desktop to Manjaro KDE. Using it for a year. Had one issue (wouldn’t boot after a kernel update), which I sorted quickly. Other than that it’s been rock solid.

        But this isn’t a ‘I have a great experience so you’re all just haters’ post.

        I know the stuff about it being a week or behind Arch. I remember something about the maintainers (can’t remember specifics) but they seem to be minor niggles that don’t affect most people.

        Genuine question.

        Why do you dislike Manjaro? I also know it’s a common theme to dislike it, so any other insight there?

        • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          231·
          1 year ago

          Not the guy you asked, but my 2 main gripes are:

          • holding back main repos and not aur? That’s dumb and just asking for trouble.
          • sheer incompetence. Remember their certs expiring? Remember their public recommended workaround? That’s webdev level of bs. They absolutely do not understand their own setup.
      • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
        15·
        1 year ago

        A few years ago I wanted to get away from Ubuntu on my desktop PC so I sat down and considered about a dozen of the most recommended Linux distros install images.

        My requirements were:

        • Image should be live so I could test it without installing.
        • Should work out of the box with everything I could think to throw at it: wifi, Bluetooth devices including controllers, network shares, play music/video out of the box, printing, audio devices on USB etc.
        • Easy to install and maintain. No need for brain-dead install or zero maintenance, I’m a seasoned Linux user and anyway I don’t want to be absurd, but I also don’t want to spend my spare time debugging or maintaining the desktop system. I have a server for that.
        • Recent packages and frequent updates, but stable.
        • Usable for everyday use, work (mostly Citrix and other forms of remote desktop) and of course gaming.
        • Rolling release.

        Guess which distro ticked absolutely every single box.

    • sep@lemmy.world
      262·
      1 year ago

      I disbelive the debian answer here. Sounds like a case of frankendebian https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

      Been usig Debian for home and work and on hundreds of servers for 2 decades and it have been near flawless. Any issues i have had have always been my own fault.

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        71·
        1 year ago

        While debian is the least offensive, I did explicitly say world. Add your buntus, mints, whathaveyou into the mix and shit hits the fan very quickly. Yes, real world runs that bollocks in prod. No, I do not agree with it.

    • Shimitar@feddit.it
      2·
      1 year ago

      Gentoo all the way since 20 years, on all kind of devices, going strong and never looked back.

      Ubuntu, I hate you. A messy complex windows-esque caricature in the Linux world, where “somebody else” knows better than me and shoves it down my gully.

      So there you go, my best and worst distros choice.

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’ve only got a few years on Gentoo - how has your journey been? You must’ve started with stage 1!

        • Shimitar@feddit.it
          1·
          1 year ago

          Well, yes, stage3 has been a revolution. But I don’t remember using stage1 directly. I started with Linux way earlier than gentoo… On 386.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      42·
      1 year ago

      Later on I found out about their selling out to Microsoft and never bothered touching it again.

      Ah yes, when Microsoft looked for a contractor to develop FOSS implementations of some Windows technologies to meet demands by the EU and Mark Shullteworth made a big fuss of it until making deals with Microsoft himself…

    • Heratiki@lemmy.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      I need to try Gentoo again. The installer used to be absolute garbage and required a ton of work to get the a usable system if you deviated too far from a normal computer setup.

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        There is no installer as such. You copy an archive, extract it and rebuild @world. Anything beyond that is up to you. I’m sticking to openrc - haven’t had any issues since libxcrypt news item. Can’t even recall what it was.

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        It is that deal from 2006(?) or so. Agreeing to not be sued for an exchange of money is dodgy. Add the competition which was not offered the same deal; add in the environment which was drastically different; it was a shit thing to do. Purely a business decision. I understand why the shareholders wanted that, but that doesn’t make it right nor desirable for me.

        Granted, nothing came out of it in the end and Linux managed to get itself established in a way where one could argue is close to impossible to get rid of it, but I feel like this deal is similar to getting stabbed - the one being stabbed will always bear a scar and remember, while others will forget over time. People growing up after this deal will never have experienced the mood and environment of that time which only makes it more difficult to understand why it was a big deal.

        • beta_tester@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          Instead of providing apple’s chips to everyone, they keep them to themselves.

          I’ll support suse as that’s not really an issue in my opinion.