Hate to be that guy, but the icing on frosted Pop Tarts contains gelatin derived from bones, hooves, tendons, ligaments, etc., making it not vegetarian.
That makes it not vegan but last time I checked, vegetarians only steer clear of meat, not all animal products. It’s like veganism, but less obsessive.
Animal carcasses are not vegetarian… Things like milk, eggs and honey (honey can be questionable) would be classed as vegetarian. Essentially anything that causes an animal to die to be consumed would not be vegetarian.
anything that causes an animal to die to be consumed would not be vegetarian.
That would explicitly NOT include gelatin, which is made from the hooves and the like of animals already slaughtered for the parts people eat. Literally no one is slaughtering animals to make gelatin.
Mate. The animal has to die for the product to get made. There’s such a thing as avoiding waste: You wouldn’t slaughter an entire horse and just use the hooves, nor would you chop a chicken for just the wings. You use as much as you can. Stuff like gelatin usually has multiple source animals precisely because it’s made of what used to be wasted. There isn’t a way to extract these things without causing serious injury or death to the animal, ergo it is very much not vegetarian.
The animal has already died to make another product. There’s no additional animals killed to make gelatin.
There’s such a thing as avoiding waste
Exactly. Using the extra parts to make gelatin rather than just throwing them away is avoiding waste.
You wouldn’t slaughter an entire horse and just use the hooves, nor would you chop a chicken for just the wings. You use as much as you can
Yes, that’s what I’m saying!
Stuff like gelatin usually has multiple source animals precisely because it’s made of what used to be wasted
As opposed to killing any extra animals for gelatin. How the fuck can you keep disagreeing with the point you’re DESCRIBING in the affirmative??
There isn’t a way to extract these things without causing serious injury or death to the animal
You just described at length how no animal is killed for gelatin and as such using gelatin doesn’t involve any additional deaths versus NOT using gelatin. It’s not that difficult to understand…
By your logic, do you consider ground meat to be vegetarian? Animals aren’t slaughtered specifically for ground meat, it’s made of the extras, off-cuts, and all the bits that typically won’t get eaten, in a very similar vein as how gelatin is made.
It’s actually one of those things that varies for each person, how extreme they are with vegetarian. They might avoid anything that contains geletain including gummies or certain medications because it requires an animal byproduct to make.
Eggs and dairy are not part of an animal carcass. You don’t have to kill an animal to enjoy it.
Vegans believe using animals for any food (or maybe even product) is wrong so they avoid eggs, milk, dairy, etc. Or maybe it’s they are vegan in that they only eat eggs or whatever from their own free range chickens. Some vegans won’t get vaccines if they contain egg protein.
Basically often both diets are often moral choices so there can be as much variety to how restrictive or serious it is just like any human will have variety in their morals details even if there is overlap on general idea (ffs just look at Christianity)
And oh there are people who are vegetarian just because they don’t like the taste or texture of meat!
Sorry for the ramble I found this really interesting when I became friends with people who have different diets. It’s interesting how much variety they can have.
Some vegans won’t get vaccines if they contain egg protein.
Vegan here, that seems a little extreme, and I haven’t heard of any vegan who does that. Also for many vaccines they make egg-free variants anyways. There are not really many good excuses to not get vaccinated if you ask me
It’s not a petty distinction, it’s an accurate and meaningful one: when I eat meat, an animal has been slaughtered for that purpose. When I eat or otherwise use gelatin, no animal has been slaughtered for that purpose as those parts are byproducts of animals already dead. Thus, no animal is killed for gelatine
Hate to be that guy, but the icing on frosted Pop Tarts contains gelatin derived from bones, hooves, tendons, ligaments, etc., making it not vegetarian.
I kinda hope this was a happy accident and OP didn’t plan this lol
That makes it not vegan but last time I checked, vegetarians only steer clear of meat, not all animal products. It’s like veganism, but less obsessive.
Animal carcasses are not vegetarian… Things like milk, eggs and honey (honey can be questionable) would be classed as vegetarian. Essentially anything that causes an animal to die to be consumed would not be vegetarian.
There’s no real question with honey. Honey is vegetarian, but not vegan.
Vegetarian = does not eat animals, vegan = does not eat animal products.
That would explicitly NOT include gelatin, which is made from the hooves and the like of animals already slaughtered for the parts people eat. Literally no one is slaughtering animals to make gelatin.
It would also decidedly not include pork tenderloin, which is made from the tenderloin of animals already slaughtered
Now you’re just being wilfully obtuse.
Mate. The animal has to die for the product to get made. There’s such a thing as avoiding waste: You wouldn’t slaughter an entire horse and just use the hooves, nor would you chop a chicken for just the wings. You use as much as you can. Stuff like gelatin usually has multiple source animals precisely because it’s made of what used to be wasted. There isn’t a way to extract these things without causing serious injury or death to the animal, ergo it is very much not vegetarian.
The animal has already died to make another product. There’s no additional animals killed to make gelatin.
Exactly. Using the extra parts to make gelatin rather than just throwing them away is avoiding waste.
Yes, that’s what I’m saying!
As opposed to killing any extra animals for gelatin. How the fuck can you keep disagreeing with the point you’re DESCRIBING in the affirmative??
You just described at length how no animal is killed for gelatin and as such using gelatin doesn’t involve any additional deaths versus NOT using gelatin. It’s not that difficult to understand…
By your logic, do you consider ground meat to be vegetarian? Animals aren’t slaughtered specifically for ground meat, it’s made of the extras, off-cuts, and all the bits that typically won’t get eaten, in a very similar vein as how gelatin is made.
Well trolled. I don’t know why I bothered.
It’s actually one of those things that varies for each person, how extreme they are with vegetarian. They might avoid anything that contains geletain including gummies or certain medications because it requires an animal byproduct to make.
Eggs and dairy are not part of an animal carcass. You don’t have to kill an animal to enjoy it.
Vegans believe using animals for any food (or maybe even product) is wrong so they avoid eggs, milk, dairy, etc. Or maybe it’s they are vegan in that they only eat eggs or whatever from their own free range chickens. Some vegans won’t get vaccines if they contain egg protein.
Basically often both diets are often moral choices so there can be as much variety to how restrictive or serious it is just like any human will have variety in their morals details even if there is overlap on general idea (ffs just look at Christianity)
And oh there are people who are vegetarian just because they don’t like the taste or texture of meat!
Sorry for the ramble I found this really interesting when I became friends with people who have different diets. It’s interesting how much variety they can have.
Vegan here, that seems a little extreme, and I haven’t heard of any vegan who does that. Also for many vaccines they make egg-free variants anyways. There are not really many good excuses to not get vaccinated if you ask me
What about all the people that don’t know to ask you?
last time I checked, bones, hooves, tendons, and ligaments, are meat, not just animal products, and most vegetarians would agree
None of those things are meat, no. Meat = muscle tissue. Bones, hooves and connective tissue are not muscle tissue.
Hmm yes, I’m sure the average vegetarian would make that petty distinction
It’s not a petty distinction, it’s an accurate and meaningful one: when I eat meat, an animal has been slaughtered for that purpose. When I eat or otherwise use gelatin, no animal has been slaughtered for that purpose as those parts are byproducts of animals already dead. Thus, no animal is killed for gelatine
I mean this implies that brain, blood, tripe, cheek, etc are vegetarian