Smartphone manufacturers still want to make foldables a thing::Foldables are barely 1% of the market, but that’s not stopping anyone but Apple.
I love the foldable idea, but it’s well beyond what I’m willing to pay for the novelty.
Same! I had the LG v60 dual screen case, and loved it. Thats the farthest I’m willing to go, though. It was unwieldy, and almost impossible to use a popsocket with, no way to use a wallet case, et cetera. It’s not worth that price tag for less options just for the occasional use of a bigger screen.
Now, foldable tablet? That’s something I’d be down for (in theory. I am poor.). Closes up small enough for a pocket, folds out when you use it. Only screen on one side, so it can tossed in a bag without worrying about it, because it’s closed up and the screen is protected.
My galaxy fold is 100% a foldable tablet with a pen. When I travel for work, I’ve stopped bringing my laptop. Just the fold, Bluetooth keyboard, and mouse. It’s amazing
So…a touchscreen laptop?
What pockets do you have?
Jokes on you, I’m a loony toon. /s
Totally missed the pocket bit. Disregard my previous comment, lol.
You telling me you don’t rock South Pole?
Not even those could fit a laptop 🤣
Yes. But smaller, and with a screen where the keyboard should be, and no bezel between the screens. Media consumption device, not something for any real productivity. Very lightweight, good for watching youtube or hulu, but clamshell so it protects the screen.
Yeah, the flip phones especially seem like a good form factor if they can make the price go down.
They already have. I think the Razr can be had at a reasonable price.
AUD 1400 is not a reasonable price to me.
Ah, sorry about that. Seems like all electronics gets way expensive in Australia. Motorola has em for sale for $499 USD (~$739 dollarydoos) here
as with all technology though, as they become more accessible with newer models being made and other companies making foldables, the price for the same kind of quality product we have today will inevitably be less in the future.
this is already happening with cpu performance, display quality, etc… it’s finally very affordable to get a 120 hz phone with a fantastic display and snappy processor, specifically thinking of something like the Galaxy A54 or Pixel 8 (on a sale)
a general rule i use regarding technology purchasing is that newest featured top of the line products are best left to rich people who can afford it, as badly as i might want it.
this goes for cars, phones, etc… one benefit to this is that it gives the product time to become not just more affordable, but better quality as well.
the earliest foldables cracked at their fold points, but Samsungs newest fold phone survived JerryRigEverythings bend test which is impressive.
in a few more years, this quality will surely be available at sub 1000 dollar prices, containing the most modern hardware which will be even better than is available now.
Well then maybe don’t charge me 3 months’ rent for one?
But that’s why they want foldable phones to be a thing.
And why the market took a dive. Phones were 200-300. Then the iPhones and Galaxy’s jumped them to 500-700. Now any top tier is 1000 plus and people’s income has not compensated. As well as the rest of the crap you need to have all those new phones.
They are completely out of touch with normal everyday working people’s incomes and financial needs.
I think a compounding factor is that the lifespan of phones has also increased. Phone manufacturers are no longer selling a new model to the same user each year.
Also the providers aren’t subsidizing the costs as much, probably after realizing that betting on people staying on their plan past the end of the contract led to people just chasing those incentives at other providers once their contract was up.
Not that they aren’t subsidizing phones still, they just aren’t throwing a hundred or two in gift cards or prepaid credit cards on top of the phone anymore.
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That wasn’t free. You’re still paying for it.
It’s just sneaky financing lol
Yeah but don’t you pay a good bit monthly for the privilege?
Once they are cheaper and more durable I’ll buy one. Its still a new form factor that hasn’t been perfected yet, but that doesn’t mean its wrong for manufacturers to keep at it
I’m waiting for them to find a better spot on durability, weight /bulkiness and hardware like cameras.
They’re still too big and bulky for me, the other components are usually a bit behind, and the screen durability seems a bit too eeh still.
Which is to say, I’m interested in one, but they’re not there yet for me.
Honestly, unless they come out unlocked for like sub $300 I’m unlikely to want to get one as I have had no problem using sub $300 new phones for 4 years now. And no interest in spending more for a tablet - I’ve gotten tablets for sub $250 for like 8 years now and they are good for my needs.
Unless I can get it used for 20 bucks and a handy thrown in, NO SALE. Like hombre, you’re not the target market for any of this.
I wish they would put a proper keyboard on a phone again. There’s dozens of people like me who misses those things, why is nobody doing it?
Totally agree. The smartphone market is wayyy to homogenous. All they compete over is price and what alphanumeric digits the chips contain. Give us foldables, sliders, cheap phones, high end phones, phones full of ports, small phones, and big phones. This is what the phone market used to be about until the mid '10s
And what about phones with a removable battery? Would be real nice to keep a couple spares instead of a big power brick I have to charge it from.
you will never see that happen again. they need phones to be disposable
Batteries for phones sold in the EU will all be replaceable within 3.5 years:
The new rules foresee that batteries will need to be easier to remove and replace, while consumers are better informed. Portable batteries in appliances should be designed so that users can easily remove and replace them. This requirement will become mandatory three-and-a-half years after the rules enter into force.
The EU actually forced companies to help consumers, so they are already planning to comply… even Apple.
Would be good if they also force companies to support security updates for more that 5 years…
I don’t need to change phone. I like my S10+. It does what I need. But I feel I’ll have to change it soonish if I want to continue using for online banking etc.
Yeah, I love my XCover Pro for this.
no i love it when my gboard cache fills up or whatever and the typing is so laggy that only 60% of my key presses register and i have to do it really slowly i think it’s good
have you considered a FOSS keyboard? For me, autocorrect is annoying and there is no swiping, but in like 3 weeks you’ll get good enough at typing you’ll need neither.
i use the suggestion strip a lot especially with secondary languages that have larger alphabets
dozens of people
Including me I guess that makes thirteen of us now.
dozens
That makes you number 25
I’m sure even fewer people want the thing I want back: a scroll wheel a la Blackberrys from the '00s. Those things were incredibly accurate and allowed pixel-specific pointing, something that you just don’t get from a touchscreen.
The same reason for the small phone form factor, the 3.5mm headphone jack, and the replaceable battery disappearance. All extraordinary ideas that I would personally would like to still be a thing for the sake of providing variety and choice to all customers. There’s a vocal minority that constantly asks and demands those features. But when manufacturers make and sell them, they only move a few thousand units in contrasts to the several hundred millions of sales for the traditional models. Because conceptually they might be good sensible ideas, but on a practical sense, they aren’t the main priority of the vast majority.
Would love something like that if it were available.
Why for. ? Maybe what would be better is a VR keyboard. If it can give haptic feedback then do you really need a physical board
The issue is I can touch type / hunt and peck with a physical keyboard, and I never accidentally type something by brushing my finger on the key as I pass. It’s just much faster.
I cannot type worth a shit on the touch keyboard on my Z4, despite it being roughly double the size of the touch keyboard on my first touch-only phone. Hell, I could finger type better on my resistive touch, single point only, meant-to-be-used-with-a-stylus WinCE PDA back in the day. I think this has to do with the edges of the screen being too damn close to the physical edge of the device, so there’s no decent way to simultaneously hold it without dropping it and contort your fingers into the quintuple jointed clawlike posture required to hit the lower row and spacebar.
And I bought my original Z Play on the promise of a physical keyboard Moto Mod, which turned out to be vaporware. Yes, I’m still pissed off about that.
Modern bezeless phones may look all swanky and futuristic sitting there on display in the store but they’re a step backwards in actual usability. I would take a slider or even a clamshell with a physical QWERTY keyboard any day.
Have you customized your touch keyboard at all? You can resize and move it to fit your hands/thumbs. You may even prefer a transparent floating keyboard for some situations, like entering text in a wide-screen game on the outside screen, so the game isn’t cut off to like 10% of the height of the screen. And that’s just the built-in keyboard. If you go third party there are tons of options.
And if you find yourself accidentally adding letters here and there, you can add a 0.01 second hold time before a key is pressed. Low enough that you’ll never have to think about it when actually typing something but high enough to ignore most accidental presses. Also if extra inputs happen without you noticing them and you have to go back and fix them when you do spot them, crank your haptic feedback up higher. Won’t miss an accidental press then.
One of the main upsides of Android phones is that you have the ability to spend 30 minutes in the options menu of one tiny element of your phone experience. The default settings work for alot of people, but if they don’t work for you, change them.
I use the swiftkey keyboard, and it constantly has me missing letters. I originally got it for on phone predictiveness, but now Microsoft bought it and IDK if it’s even good anymore, I’m just used to the layout. But I almost never accidentally start typing the wrong letter on a physical keyboard but it’s almost daily on the touch screen ones. I’m constantly missing, hitting delete somehow, having it insert a period and capitalize a word. It’s freaking annoying. The issue isn’t haptics, it’s that there’s no bump on the home keys to position my thumb or fingers, there’s no way for me to “count” by feel x keys over, and there’s no where to rest my hands or fingers on the keys without pressing them.
And I bought my original Z Play on the promise of a physical keyboard Moto Mod, which turned out to be vaporware. Yes, I’m still pissed off about that.
Omg HARD same.
I really wish creators would stop shifting the goalposts on everything and just make what they said they would. It doesn’t need to be balanced, it doesn’t need a battery, it just needs to exist.
here’s no decent way to simultaneously hold it without dropping it and contort your fingers into the quintuple jointed clawlike posture required to hit the lower row and spacebar.
Use an onscreen keyboard that doesn’t extend to the edge of the screen? Or get a case that adds size to the phone?
Get a Bluetooth keyboard they’re great, little fold out one size of your phone or a tiny or one that straps to your arm… So many different types, I even saw one built into a phone case
I’m not aware of ones that will let me hold the phone by them - but I tend to not have major brand phones which I’m sure exacerbates this. I had a Xiaomi Mi 8 Lite for 4ish years, I just got a more mainstream OnePlus N30, so maybe I can look for a different case that has a keyboard in it, though I still doubt I could hold by it and double thumb type.
I’ve been daily driving a folding phone for about 3 years now, and honest to God I’ll never buy a normal phone again. It’s a laptop, tablet, phone, and notepad (stylus) all in one. I couldn’t imagine going back.
Also, being able to open two full screen apps side by side becomes essential after you start to rely on it for work.
I get that they are expensive, but the price will come down eventually and the form factor is game changing from a usability perspective.
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I’ve never tried a folding phone but to me it seems like a jack of all trades, master of none. The 4:3 aspect ratio, black bars on basically all videos, and easily damaged screen seem like big negatives.
I’d be interested to see if I’m wrong if I ever get a chance to use one.
Yea, the ability to replace a laptop for work is wildly dependent on the work you do. I need Windows or Linux and a keyboard and trackpad or mouse to even attempt to do my job. And it’s much easier with a desktop with lots of RAM and a 24" or larger monitor. Someone else I know rocks a laptop as a daily driver, but it needs to be docked, with 3 monitors to be fully useful.
If you don’t need programs that need a desktop OS (well written web apps only) and only need apps or say Zoom (and no real use of zoom chat or virtual backgrounds etc) then I can see a tablet working.
It’s a laptop, tablet, phone, and notepad The fact you can get all four of those for about the cost of one folding phone if you’re ok with off brands or slightly used really hurts the thing too.
I’m a programmer and I need three screens to work effectively (otherwise I get into 8+ virtual desktops). However, I’m using a Minisforum UM790 Pro and not a laptop, because what’s the point in having another screen I don’t use and a keyboard that’s awful.
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Android runs almost all USB keyboards and mice or touch pads, you can totally have that as an option for your phone. And it’s like 50 bucks to get a powered hub that can also charge the phone OTG while connecting all those USB devices at once.
It is the same size as as the common smaller form factor tablets have been for a decade. And note pads also have been coming in this size for over a century.
It is smaller than the average phone when folded into phone mode. Especially if we are not only talking smart phones, but even if.
They are indeed relatively more expensive right now, I got mine “open box” for half off, and it was about the price of a contemporary regular smart phone then. But they won’t always be this much more expensive.
You are not always near your 75 inch TV. It’s nice to have an acceptable option when out and about. Fold 4 also has spacial audio, you get your head about a foot away from those speakers in horizontal tablet mode, and boom, the virtual surround sound is surprising. (Anyone who has one and hasn’t tried it yet, take this moment to try it out then come back) (it’s pretty crazy, right?)
It is what we claim it is. Just my 2 cents. I hope eventually the price gets to a place where more people can choose it without having to worry about whether they can justify it.
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I just use a normal phone (Pixel 7a)
For media consumption and stuff I have a rooted Lenovo Tab M9 running a LineageOS GSI
I feel like I’d feel similarly if I had a foldable, but the one guy I know who has one swears he’ll never buy one again. Granted, he got a gen 1 Galaxy Fold, so it’s got some major growing pains.
I don’t give a flying fuck about foldable screens, give me a real keyboard. The bottom half of one of these flippable screens could totally fit rows of physical buttons!
That’s just Flip Phones with more steps.
We have come full circle to what smartphones we’re like 10 years ago.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/top-smartphones-qwerty-keypad-152557008.html
Omg I can’t agree with this strongly enough. Just typing this comment I’ve had to manually correct multiple typos because even with haptic feedback and autocorrect I still end up with totally garbled text. I have never been able to get the hang of typing on a touch screen. Im still pining for the good old days of blackberries and slide out keyboards.
Hell, even a built in stylus like the galaxy note had would be a welcome fix to constantly fumbling with whatever keyboard I’m trying to make work at the moment.
I’ll trade you my 3D TV for one.
Hey, old 3D TV’s are great…
…As computer monitors. Lots of PC games can be bullied into displaying stereoscopic 3D in one way or other.
I’ll trade you two Betamax, an HD-DVD player, and one 8-track of PeeWee Herman performing “Tequila” for your 3D TV.
If I had a 3d tv I’d happily do this deal
Honestly, there’s a completely unfulfilled market for smart phones with physical keyboards right now and fuck capitalism for not meeting this need more efficiently
N900 gang represent
I’ve been using the z flip 4 for over a year now. I think that is what it’s called… I won’t go back. The foldable phone is awesome.
I’ve got my Fold 3 and it’s amazing. Are there compromises? Absolutely. Are they worth it, also yes.
I’ve always been the type to upgrade my phone every year, but I’m thoroughly satisfied with this device after 2 years, and don’t see myself replacing it anytime soon.
The biggest thing foldables need now isn’t new features and spec bumps. What they need is a significant price cut.
Full-size foldable phones still costing $1800 5 years in is why they’re such a tiny market share.
Agree, it’s hard to imagine not having a fold after using it for a bit
What’s holding me back is that I’m worried the fold line would be too distracting, or would get worse over time.
I also love my s23 pen
That’s what I thought originally, but the fold is not noticeable at all when you look square at it, as far as how it feels to move your finger over it, it feels like a small tactile bump. Feels nice actually. I use a membrane screen protector and foldable case with no issues, over the last year there has been no degradation of the “crease” or the folding mechanism.
That’s good to know! Glad to hear it’s working for you
I have a Pixel Fold and I hate it. It’s heavy, almost no third party apps are compatible with the square aspect ratio of the inner screen, and when you consume media there are massive black borders due to said aspect ratio that makes the viewable space the same as a regular phone. There’s literally no point to these things.
I see why Apple never jumped on board. I can’t wait until August when I can get rid of this damn phone.
Meanwhile my dad can’t get enough of his Zflip or whatever the smaller one is. Even with the screen starting to wear in the middle, it’s lasted longer than his other phones because the folding means it doesn’t get banged around.
Same goes with mentions of physical keyboards, all I get is flashbacks of my dad angry that his sausage fingers (tilesetter) can’t hit the buttons before touchscreen keyboards with bigger buttons hit.
How about a phone that unfolds to 2.39:1 ratio such as 2.95*7.05 and folds to roughly half that.
Man I just want a FOSS version of the DS.
Clamshell dual screen has so many advantages.
Even sliding keyboard was great
Clamshell dual screen is the bomb. I don’t know why they’re jumping so many hoops just to avoid a fucking bezel gutter.
SOMEONE never heard of the Surface Duo…
That would the coolest shit imaginable. I’m surprised nobody has tried making a FOSS ecosystem for the DS, considering how often users have hacked it. All I’m saying is, I wish a company would come alone and make a DS like system with modern resolution and cameras. It might do pretty well.
I love my flip phone. I’d love a phone with a hardware keyboard even more, but at least a folding flip phone is interesting in a sea of rectangles.
Having more mainstream keyboard options would be nice to have.
I still haven’t seen a legitimate use case for a flip phone that is 100% screen on the inside.
2.76 aspect ratio movies?
I’ll tell you what I’d do man, two movies at the same time, man.
Fuckin-A
Thinking of that one guy that lost their foldable to a grain of salt after eating something in the train while watching a movie on it and then closing the phone… I hope they never get a real thing
That’s unfortunate, I hope the tech progresses to a stage where a salt grain doesn’t render it useless.
You can take my foldable out of my cold dead hands!
which one do you have?
zFold 4
