First, they restricted code search without logging in so I’m using sourcegraph But now, I cant even view discussions or wiki without logging in.
It was a nice run
The only thing surprising is that it took Microsoft almost three years to turn on the shit-spigot.
You gotta embrace first
There’s nothing wrong with it honestly, and OP seems to be giving bad info… And trust me, I’m not a fan of Microsoft lol
i literally just tested Discussions and wiki in private browsing mode on a few repos and they work. Which just proves it’s not a big deal that needing a login isn’t an issue. Seems nobody actually upvoting doesn’t have a login
I heard other people complaining about what OP says, so I’m thinking maybe it’s A/B testing…
Honestly for selfhosters, I can’t recommend enough setting up an instance of Gitea. You’ll be very happy hosting your code and such there, then just replicate it to github or something if you want it on the big platforms.
Just so you’re aware, Gitea was taken over by a for-profit company. Which is why it was forked and Forgejo was formed. If you don’t use Github as a matter of principle, then you should switch to Forgejo instead.
Damnit of course it was. Thanks for letting me know, now I’ll have to redo my 100+ repos.
Changing the remote should be fairly trivial with enough bash skills
It’s more I don’t have them all checked out, and a good chunk are mirrors of github, so I’ll have to list out each one and push to a new remote, mirrors will have to be setup again, and I also use the container and package registries. I’m pretty embedded. It’s not impossible, but it’s a weekend project for sure.
If it was just forked, cant you just switch the package/container-image and be done?
Depends on how much it was changed I’m guessing. Fingers crossed I could just flip it over, but who knows
Simply changing the binary worked for me. Been more than 1 month and no migration issues.
It does still show gitea branding, however.
If you are using containers, it should be fairly trivial. Otherwise, there might be some renaming to do, but Forgejo should be 100% compatible with Gitea (at least right now). Just make sure you have a good backup in case anything would happen.
If there’s a fork, it’ll probably be an easy migration/in-place upgrade.
My understanding is the fork isn’t doing much but waiting to see if gitea turns to shit, pushing all their changes upstream. If you use docker I’ve heard you can just pull the new image and it simply drops in, no migration needed.
did they get federation working?
Nothing usable yet unfortunately, but they seem to be making good progress: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/59
Thanks for the link! As long as it’s being worked on I feel comfortable spinning up an instance. I’ve been meaning to do gitea for a while so I’m glad I waited.
Thanks for the info
Forgejo for you chap.
Honestly I’m kind of surprised that Gitea is still being recommended on Lemmy, it’s been a while since Gitea was acquired and the community has been raging since. Lemmy is regressing
Lemmy is regressing
it is not lol, you are just realising that you are not part of any elite for the simple reason of using it
+1 for Gitea. It’s super lightweight, and works really well! I recently switched to Gitlab simply because I wanted experience with hosting it, but Gitea is much lighter and easier to use.
Forgejo please. Gitea was acquired by a for-profit company
I had no idea what Forgejo was and assumed you were calling me a derogatory term 😂 thanks though, I’ll look into Forgejo next time I need to switch Git platforms
Maybe have a look at this comment elsewhere in the thread.
Does it have any features that github doesn’t?
Its pretty good, for most people there isn’t anything missing
Actions can’t be triggered by workflow dispatch
Pull requests can’t wait for status checks
The writing was on the wall when they established a generative AI using everyone’s code and of course without asking anyone for permission.
It’s an interesting debate isn’t it? Does AI transform something free into something that’s not? Or does it simply study the code?
@xilliah It’s not free though. It came with licenses. And LLMs don’t have the capability to “study”, they are just a glorified random word generator.
Ok
There’s no debate. LLMs are plagiarism with extra steps. They take data (usually illegally) wholesale and then launder it.
A lot of people have been doing research into the ethics of these systems and that’s more or less what they found. The reason why they’re black boxes is precisely the reason we all suspected; they were made that way because if they weren’t we’d all see them for what they are.
The reason they’re black boxes is because that’s how LLMs work. Nothing new here, neural networks have been basically black boxes for a long time.
Sure, but nothing is theoretically stopping them from documenting every single data source input into the training module and then crediting it later.
For some reason they didn’t want to do that of course.
Llama and stability AI published their sources, did they not?
The reason they are blackboxes is because they are function approximators with billions of parameters. Theory has not caught up with practical results. This is why you tune hyperparameters (learning rate, number of layers, number of neurons ina layer, etc.) and have multiple iterations of training to get an approximation of the distribution of the inputs. Training is also sensitive to the order of inputs to the network. A network trained on the same training set but in a different order might converge to an entirely different function. This is why you train on the same inputs in random order over multiple episodes to hopefully average out such variations. They are blackboxes simply because you can’t yet prove theoretically the function it has approximated or converged to given the input.
Can you link it please? I’d like to inform myself.
I doubt they have a factual basis for their opinion, considering
they were made that way because if they weren’t we’d all see them for what they are.
Is just plain wrong. Researchers would love to have a non black box AI (i.e. a white box AI), but it’s unfortunately impossible with the current architecture.
Their use of language also feels more emotional and if anything it makes me more skeptical.
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I moved all my open source projects to Gitlab the day Microsoft announced they were acquiring Github.
(I wish in retrospect I’d taken the time to research and decide on the right host. I likely would have gone to Codeberg instead of Gitlab had I done so. But Gitlab’s still better than Github. And I don’t really know for sure that Codeberg was even around back when Microsoft acquired Github.)
My first impression of gitlab was offputting because I was using hardened firefox and couldnt get past through cloudflare so I ended up using github. It was also better ui wise but now its just a mess
Edit: slowly i’m starting to move everything to codeberg
I’m OOTL. Why is Codeberg better than GitLab?
- It is FOSS while GitLab EE is not.
- It supports a lot of atifact repository formats while GitLab only docker registry.
- It is a non-commercial project.
- It supports a lot of atifact repository formats while GitLab only docker registry.
not true https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/packages/package_registry/supported_package_managers.html
that said, I hate gitlab and their commercial choices, they must die
Thank you I missed when they added this. I only track a very old FR for rpm support and was sure that situation is similar with other repos. However gitea/forgejo supports more formats including rpm.
Codeberg is ran by a German nonprofit. GitLab is publically-traded on NASDAQ.
I’m not really sure it is. I just wish I’d shopped around before jumping to Gitlab, really.
It kindof feels like Gitlab’s aims are more commercial and Codeberg’s are more in line with the FOSS movement, but that’s just a vague sense I have based on things I’ve seen but no longer remember specifically.
CalcProgrammer1’s response to my post seems pretty informative and apropos, though.
Codeberg us really new, i think like 2 years. Since covid for sure.
Ah. Good to know. I don’t feel so bad about going with Gitlab now.
I registered there june 2020 so longer than that
The landscape is changing so fast thanks to LLMs, everything is becoming gated behind logins. Thanks ChatGPT.
I still left my old and unmaintained projects on GitHub but I moved all my active projects to GitLab and any new projects go there too. I have them auto mirrored back to GitHub though as the more mirrors the better. I also recently set up a Codeberg mirror for some of my projects, though GitLab’s CI is what is keeping me on GitLab even though they nerfed the shit out of it and made it basically a requirement to host your own runners even for FOSS projects a year or two back. Still hate them for that and if Codeberg gets a solid CI option, leaving GitLab would make me happy. They too have seen quite a lot of enshittification in the years since Microsoft bought GitHub.
nerfed the shit out of it and made it basically a requirement to host your own runners even for FOSS projects a year or two back.
Did they just reduce quotas (minutes?, cache storage?) or did they remove features? I’ve always used self-hosted runner
Drastically nerfed the quotas. FOSS projects with a valid license used to have GitLab Premium access to shared runners and now even FOSS projects with a valid license get a rather useless 400 minutes. They also require new accounts to add CC info just to use that paltry sum which means FOSS projects can’t rely on CI passing on forks to ensure a merge request passes the checks before merging, as even if you have project specific runners set up forks don’t use them and neither to MRs.
I wish companies didn’t offer what they can’t support from the beginning rather than this embrace, extend, extinguish shit. I guess in GitLab’s case there was no extend, it was just embrace FOSS projects and let them set up CI pipelines and get projects depending on the shared CI runners as part of merge request workflow for a few years and then extinguish by yoinking that access away and fucking over everyone’s workflow, leaving us scrambling to set up project side runners and ruining checks on MRs.
They also require new accounts to add CC
just FYI you can still register w/o a cc but the option is hidden, only reachable via ‘sign in’ and then ‘register’: https://gitlab.com/users/sign_up
that said they’re shit and need to die
Make the move from Gitlab to Codeberg in the last few days: really simple to do, give it a try ;-)
Yeah, good thought. The only reason I haven’t is just because I worry that moving constantly might deter people from using any of my FOSS projects. Just seems like it could be considered a red flag (a sign of a “bad” or poorly-managed project) to some. (And… well… given that I didn’t do the research when I moved those projects, it wouldn’t be an entirely inaccurate conclusion to draw.)
Oh, I guess also I’d need to log back into my Github and change everything that says “moved to Gitlab” to say “moved to Codeberg” and update links. (I literally force-pushed to overwrite the entire history of my Github projects with a single commit each with just a README that says it moved to Gitlab with a link.)
Plus, if I really looked into it, I might decide I’d prefer to self-host on something like Gitea.
I guess all that to say I’d definitely want to put more thought into it before migrating any particular place a second time. Doing the actual move is indeed the easy part, but there’s a lot of thought and research to do before that. And a lot of meta-considerations to take into account.
Sounds like you like Codeberg, though. Just out of curiosity, what sold you on Codeberg?
Sounds like you like Codeberg, though. Just out of curiosity, what sold you on Codeberg?
Basically the fact that they are in Europe and for now they are free (even if I am planning to contribute some euros) and without all the “every site need to be a social network” facade (like Github).
All the features I need are present and I were not using the missing one anyway (like the CI). And I like to support an EU company ;-)Additionally it is a couple of years that I am trying to move away from US companies for every service I use, the move from Gitlab to Codeberg is the last one and came natural.
I’m honestly blown away by whomever finds this surprising. This is Microsoft we’re talking about. Everything they touch turns into this. Taking what is not theirs, using it for profit, and not even giving credit where credit is due.
Hold up, are you sure you can’t view Discussions or Wiki? Which sites can you not view them?
I’m fine viewing them for public repos that I usually visit.
Asking to make sure that Github is not slowly rolling out this lockdown.
Most probably. I was viewing discussions about podman, I could view them if directily opened from a link but it required login when navigated to linked pages and wiki
What are good alternatives to GitHub except selfhosting? I only know gitlab.com. Anything else?
Codeberg is very good, and non-profit.
Thanks, I’ll take a look at it. And thanks to all the others. :D
Sourcehut
SSH + an HTTP server can work if you are going barebones
I would say bitbucket except I don’t recommend bitbucket.
They also broke some stuff with some javascript, I think. I’m using KDE’s web browser (Falkon) and it used to work well.
I just checked, and unless I’m missing something, you’re wrong? Tried https://github.com/snowplow/snowplow/wiki in private browser mode. Seems to work fine… Discussions work too.
And the restricted code search is not a big deal. You can still see and download all the source code you want and search that way. What usecase do you have for code searching without login? Lemmy is restricted too without login (as well as literally everything). The funny thing is that the last person I saw make a huge deal of this on Lemmy/Reddit, didn’t have a huge number of github commits over the years (they definitely had some, so they were active though, but even our newbies at work overtook them in months)
Creating a login is free too, and so is downloading source code. Github is a FREE service lol… And you’re whinging you need to create a free login? If you don’t like Github, then don’t use it lol. Absolutely nothing is preventing anyone migrating lol
Lemmy is restricted too without login (as well as literally everything)
You mean that you cannot comment or vote without an account? That just makes sense, because you need an account to tell the server to save some data of yours. That has to be connected to an account. Search does not (unless you are fixated on saving all actions of the user on the platform for behavioral analysis)
The funny thing is that the last person I saw make a huge deal of this on Lemmy/Reddit, didn’t have a huge number of github commits over the years (they definitely had some, so they were active though, but even our newbies at work overtook them in months)
Maybe you didn’t know, but not everyone in IT (job or hobby) writes code.
Creating a login is free too
Not really: you have to give personal information.
It’s not much of a problem until they only need an email address and are not too opinionated on your provider, but it’s not rare at all that platforms also require a phone number (either upfront at registration, or discord-microsoft-style, locking you out of your account untill you give it them) which for the most part won’t be private at all. Thus, you are paying with your data. For something (repo content) that the maintainers wanted to be public and free.Creating a login is free too, and so is downloading source code
What about the Wiki and Discussions? Several others said things that make me think it’s under A/B testing.
I’m not a developer so I’m not very familiar with this world. But it kind of amazes me that the code for so many open source projects are hosted by Microsoft. Isn’t there a FOSS alternative? edit: seems Gitlab is an alternative. Then the question is, why are people using microsoft products?
Codeberg.org is the ethical choice
Github started independently and was amazing service(and still is except now its going downhill) but Microsoft acquired it it 2018
The power of git ( the backbone of github ) comes in that you can easily take a repository and move it to a different server. Its like, 3 commands? ( git vlone, git add remote, git push ). So if people would leave github, nothing is lost :)
Github is designed to centralize git (as the word “hub” suggests). You can still migrate away code, issues and wikis, but contributors, followers, wiki editors, issue subscribers, visibility in general and github stars are locked in. Discoverability matters to projects trying to attract contributors.
So you lose nothing, gotcha
Agreed there, but its still a source control platform. Its still git. I’d argue the code is the most important part and followers, subscribers and stars (whatever those may do) are a secundairy functionality that a developer doesnt necesarily care about. The most important part is the git repo and everything linked with it imo
Compared to Gitlab, it definitely is shit already. And that has nothing to do with the artificial restrictions. God I hate this website. I appreciate their service, but the UI is genuinely trash.
You don’t need the question mark. If something is for-profit (or can be used for profit) then sooner or later it will be enshittified.
They have teams of people whose entire job is figuring out ways to wring a few more cents from somebody. Put them at the helm of a company that’s stood for 1000 years and they’ll be thrilled at how easy it will be to use that name to sell plastic dogshit at a premium price.
What about the time they fired their artists and then immediately wrote a blog post congratulating themselves for making AI art from a model trained on the ex-employees’ art. Inspiring.
GitHub has art?
Aaw cute little logo character thingie.
I don’t really feel like self-hosting a Git instance is a good idea for me personally, but I’ve been really happy with Gitlab for around 8 years now
They also added some crappy requirements to their student benefit package.
Are you trying to get people to use it, or trying to get people to accidentally keep paying a subscription?
