In the post-COVID world where so much is done remotely I’m utterly amazed with the absence of a decent app for making slides. I recently went through a long and honestly very disappointing journey for finding the one and only app that fits my needs. And… yeah… there is none. Here are the requirements I have, and I can elaborate more on why exactly I need each of these. So, my perfect presentation making must:

  • have interactive UI, where you can drag elements around with your mouse/trackpad;
  • support dragging and dropping images AND videos and repositioning them;
  • support latex (or at least something similar);
  • work on all major OS-s: windows/macos/linux.

That’s it. That’s all I need. Nothing more, nothing less. I’m even willing to pay money to have the app (not as a subscription though)!

I admit that my needs might not be the most common ones, but I also don’t think they’re totally unreasonable.

Here are the apps/frameworks I tried, and where they succeeded and failed (all graded on the scale of 5), starting from the most popular ones.

(a) Microsoft PowerPoint (4.0/5):

+ (4/5) has nice interactive UI and allows for good configurability;

+ (5/5) supports all the major video encodings as well as images and GIFs;

? (4/5) does not support latex, but kinda has its own equation engine which is good-enough;

− (3/5) has no linux counterpart;

− comes bundled with the Office Suite, the majority of apps from which I’ve never used.

(b) Keynote (3.9/5):

+ (4.5/5) has by far the best UI and the collection of tools (perhaps the only thing it lacks is the ability to crop videos);

+ (5/5) same as PowerPoint, supports most of the formats that I typically use;

+ (5/5) has full support for latex equations;

− (1/5) no windows and no linux implementation;

− Mac-only, and the cloud version doesn’t support most of the functionality – so really, fuck you Apple.

(c) Google Slides (2.5/5):

+ (3/5) has a decent UI, but oftentimes feels very clumsy with the overly padded bounding boxes;

? (2/5) supports images and gifs, but fails miserably with videos, which it’s only able to embed over youtube (or google drive);

− (0/5) no latex support, although I’m aware that some paid plugins allow for it;

+ (4/5) it’s web-based, so works essentially on any platform;

− obviously, because it’s web-based, you can’t do anything offline.

(d) LaTeX Beamer (3.3/5):

− (0/5) no UI at all, and getting things line just right is quite a headache;

? (3/5) getting videos is kind of a nightmare really, as it compiles into a pdf, and not all pdf engines support videos;

+ (5/5) no comment;

+ (5/5) no comment, although you have to install an 8 GB-worth latex suite on your system, or do it on a website like overleaf.

(e) LibreOffice Impress (3.3/5):

+ (3/5) the UI is very reminescent of the Google Slides, so is kinda clumsy, although you can get used to it I guess;

+ (4/5) kinda of supports all the major image/video formats, but I’ve had trouble with some of the encodings;

− (1/5) no latex (although third-party plugins can enable it, but they never really worked well for me);

+ (5/5) supported no all major OS-s.

(f) Marp/Slippr/Cafe-Pitch/Reveal.js (3.5/5):

− (0/5) no UI;

+ (5/5) because they all use js-based engine (like electron), you can make any format work with them;

+ (4/5) same here, although some don’t have latex out of the box, it’s relatively straightforward to enable a MathJax or Katex support;

+ (5/5) takes some npm magin, but you can run it on frigging toaster.

(g) Slides.com (3.5/5):

+ (4/5) it basically uses the proprietary version of the reveal.js as a backend, and adds UI (a bit clumsy to my taste, but works ok);

− (2/5) same as above, but adding videos is paywalled;

+ (5/5) there is a full latex support out of the box;

+ (3/5) web-based, but you’ll need an account, and lots of perks are paywalled.

(h) Figma (3.3/5):

+ (5/5) surprisingly good UI (it was made for vector design, so not surprising);

− (2/5) videos paywalled;

+ (3/5) some plugins add latex support, but still quite clumsy;

+ (3/5) has an app and offers a cloud-based web app, but you need to have an account etc.

I also tried other things, like Wolfram Mathematica (yes it can do presentations, although equations look kinda weird), Adobe Illustrator/Inkscape (i mean, why not at this point?), Prezi.com (more fancy, less functional). There are tons of web-based solution (e.g., visme), most of which have a subscription program, which I am not willing to try (I’m ready to pay once, but subscription programs go against my mental stability).

It seems that any solution I try falls short of what I would consider a pretty reasonable list of requirements. At this point I’m mostly using MS PowerPoint, but its lack of linux support really drives me mad. I’m interested to hear your thoughts and your experiences with presentation-making software? What are some of things I should try?

  • cbarrick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    61·
    10 months ago

    Why does Google Slides only get 4/5 for compatibility?

    It literally works on everything. I’m surprised LaTeX scored higher on compatibility, because the install process is heavy (8 GB or more, as you said) and you still have to configure afterwards (e.g. change to XeLaTeX for Unicode support.) IMO, Slides is a 5/5 and LaTeX is a 4/5, for compatibility.

    EDIT: Also Google Slides works offline, and you can install it as a PWA by clicking a button in Chrome.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      3·
      10 months ago

      well… it kind of works offline. all the media (at least he videos) are still kept on the cloud. with latex – there are literally free online latex services like overleaf which can also sync with a github for offline use. so i’d say latex, despite its heavy install process, is kinda industry standard at this point. besides, you actually don’t need the whole 8GB of latex to get started on beamer. you can probably get away with as-required installation, which essentially installs only the packages that you explicitly specify in your document. yes, configuring it might indeed be a bit of a headache at first, but with tools like latexmk etc, it’s actually not too bad. and i’d be willing to spend the time to actually tailor the workflow if it had a decent-enough UI and support for videos.

  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
    5·
    10 months ago

    Do you know about Ipe? https://ipe.otfried.org/

    One of my professors makes amazing slides with it. Text uses LaTeX but it can do positioning and drawing you could never dream of with LaTeX unless you’re willing to spend 5 hours writing TikZ per slide (if that’s enough), and it’s a graphical editor. No videos though afaik, since it also creates PDF.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      10 months ago

      Will definitely give it a try, although from the looks of it the project seems abandoned. The last commit was 5 years ago.

      • lemmyreader@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        Have not looked at it (and Github won’t properly for me right now) but the Github readme had a web link to a newer project of the same author.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      2·
      10 months ago

      Native math support i think is the main hurdle when it comes to libreoffice for me. Some of the plug-ins that add this functionality were also causing the app to crash.

      • Aatube@kbin.social
        1·
        10 months ago

        Apparently, LibreOffice calls them “OLE Objects”, which you insert under Insert→OLE Object→Formula Object. It uses its own syntax for it, and the preview’s completely botched compared to what it actually looks like when you exit editing mode. (to rephrase that, the equation is normal after insertion, but when you edit it the preview is very wrong) It doesn’t have shortcuts for many things like greek letters and the degree symbol, so you may need to learn compose sequences for these.

  • Bloody Harry@feddit.de
    3·
    10 months ago

    Did you try Adobe InDesign, and how did it fail you? I believe it’s the absolute industry standard for doing any layout stuff, which creating presentations essentially is.

    EDIT: Alright, I see. No linux counterpart.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      2·
      10 months ago

      i did use InDesign a while ago, although not for presentation purposes. the UI is kinda similar to the illustrator, but more tailored to publishing (booklets/posters/books, etc.). I’d imagine making latex (or videos) work in it would be a headache though.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      2·
      10 months ago

      never tried Xaringan, but from the look of it it’s yet another markdown framework. which is splendid, but no UI is a huge dealbreaker for me. otherwise i’m happy to write my own parsing engine or just make presentations in pure html/css/js.

      i used typst for papers. their “interpretation” of latex is pretty annoying. they basically tried to reinvent it, and it looks counter intuitive (maybe one could get used to it). otherwise, i don’t see how its different from a regular old beamer with no UI, poor support for videos etc.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      10 months ago

      Never actually tried it for presentations. I bet they might have some sort of markdown-parser engine, but again, it will suffer from all the drawbacks of other markdown engines.

      • Midnitte@beehaw.org
        1·
        10 months ago

        Can’t quite remember if it has drag and drop, but the latex support is pretty top notch - especially if you need to do in-line equations.

  • Desyn0xox@lemmy.ml
    3·
    10 months ago

    I am not sure how well they stack up against the competition, as I haven’t really used them, but maybe they can hit the sweet-spot:

    KDE has an office suite: Calligra. Windows and macOS support seems to be preliminary, what that means in terms of stability/performance, I don’t know.

    As you also mention Figma working decently for you, you could take a look at Penpot.

    In regards to your latex situation, maybe klatexformula, could be something for you. It generates images from latex. I’ve been pretty happy with it, in tandem with word processors, before fully jumping to latex. It’s pretty lightweight, their site does mention it needs a minimal version of latex though, which I don’t recall installing when using it, but both texlive, and miktex seem fairly small.

    Edit: as others also mention OnlyOffice might also be an option for you.

  • rufus@discuss.tchncs.de
    3·
    10 months ago

    I like reveal.js

    Sure there isn’t an UI in the common sense. Your UI is your text editor. As a benefit you can edit and run it everywhere and commit it to your git repo easily. I personally like using the text editor for everything and not having lots of separate tools for each task, so (4/5) from me on that UI. Maybe you want to consider something like Reveal-MD and just type it in Markdown. Or Asciidoctor and have one single text file that translates into the slides, a webpage, handouts and everything.

    I’d use it for sleek and clean slides. Not for computer science 101 with lots of maths proofs and finite-state machines. I’d use LaTeX, TikZ for that, just stay in that ecosystem and use the beamer package.

    There are also tools like Sozi

    • Falcon@lemmy.world
      3·
      10 months ago

      I agree with revealJS, I recommend trying it with org-mode in eMacs with the plugin (plus you also get banner for free)

      Alternatively, it also works with Jupyter.

      This is what I use for every presentation I need to give.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      3·
      10 months ago

      like i mention in one of the comments: UI is a dealbreaker for me. oftentimes i have to make complicated annotations, arrows going from one plot to another, combine shapes to make schematic illustrations. i can do all that in a vector editor, sure, but having it all in one place speeds things up considerably.

      • rufus@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        10 months ago

        Very well. I must have skipped past that. I agree. Using text to code your slideshow and then switching to a graphical diagram editor isn’t the perfect match. You probably want both integrated and then either text or UI for both. PlantUML ties into lots of text-based stuff, TikZ into LaTeX and whatever diagram editor an office suite has into the slide show software of said office suite. Once you mix that or use an external vector drawing program, you lose some/lot of the convenience.

  • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
    3·
    10 months ago

    Might not have everything, but HedgeDoc (a web-based collaborative markdown editor) has a spreadsheet mode where you can create slideshows / presentations using simple markdown. Its free and self-hostable.

    • hayk@lemmy.mlOP
      1·
      10 months ago

      Agree, but like i said, all the media files are still saved to the cloud and viewed through YouTube.