The French government issued a decree Tuesday banning the term “steak” on the label of vegetarian products, saying it was reserved for meat alone.

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    10 months ago

    I have never seen a plant based product labeled the same as a animal product. What I see is is [Beef steak] or [Plant based Steak made from…]

    Vegan products have a clear label on them and they want you to know that it plant based because people buy it for that reason, be it to avoid animal cruelty, the destruction of the environment or their own health.

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      Vegan products have a clear label on them

      And why shouldn’t meat products have a clear label?

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        Yes, I think I advocated here alone two to three times for that and I will stay by your side if you do demand that.

        We could make it easier for all with a “animal product” label but at the moment it is only the animal industry which is lobbying for restrictive product names.

        If you don’t want to then legislate for a label like the (V)egan label and put it on all products made from animals, I would still support you.

        I am all in for clear description of food and a big label if it contains animal suffering and the destruction of the eco system or if it is plant based.

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          That kind of label already exists: It resembles the shape of the letters “Steak” so closely one might even mistake it for the word.

          Why, pray tell, are you insistent on diluting the clarity of that label? Is it so aesthetically pleasing to you that you just cannot help yourself but enjoy it even though you don’t want to have to do anything with meat?

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            Well, I guess it shows that some people learn only shapes instead of reading.

            Still unclear who was killed, maybe there are some more shapes around? They indicate what Animal it was, you know there is more than one?

            Now imagine if you will, we could use that space where it says “pig” and replace it with “saitan” for example? Mind blown, if you put 2 or more of these cryptic runes together we can transport more information.

            I don’t care much for it, it is for those who want to stop supporting the destruction of the planet and the murdering of billions of sentient beings for their pleasure. It makes it easier for them if they don’t have to change too much.

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              Now imagine if you will, we could use that space where it says “pig” and replace it with “saitan” for example? Mind blown,

              Now imagine if you will, we could use that space where it says “organic” and replace it with “pork”, for example? “pork cauliflower”. Makes perfect sense.

              I don’t care much for it, it is for those who want to stop supporting the destruction of the planet and the murdering of billions of sentient beings

              No. It is for people who want to proclaim superior morality but are too lazy to switch their shopping habits from “steak” to “soy patty”. If y’all are so virtuous that should really not be an issue for you.

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                Who do you think acts more superior, those who kill others for pleasure and destroy the ground, water and air by doing so, or those who don’t need that? Lion on top of the food chain, thats what you are, right?

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                  That’s not the discussion at hand.

                  I tried very hard to have this discussion without getting into ethics, and I won’t have that discussion either, even if you try to force it on me, even if your personal set of ethics is all you care about in the world at the expense of everything else, including seeing other people’s point of view.

                  This is about labelling, in particular non-confusing labelling. And how “plant steak” is just as confusing and misleading as “meat cauliflower”.

                  Just as confusing and nonsensical as “plastic paper” or “liquid mug”. Are you cognitively capable of looking at those latter two terms without moralising? If yes, why not the the previous two?

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                    I tried very hard to have this discussion without getting into ethics,

                    It is for people who want to proclaim superior morality

                    You go into it. Not me.

                    Tell me what part of which animal “Steak” is and show me there are no variants and you win.

                    It is not only steak, it is milk where the industry lobbied hard to prevent the use even though plant milk is older than the milk of other species.

                    Are you cognitively capable of looking at those latter two terms without moralising? If yes, why not the the previous two?

                    You are the one who brought up moral, maybe that is a you problem you should take care of without projecting.

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        Good point. I have a fair and unbiased solution to the problem that will help everyone:

        Steak made from plants and fungus must be labelled as “meat-free steak”.

        Steak made from cultured cells must be labelled “cultured steak”.

        Steak made from dead animals must be labelled “corpse steak”.

        There we go. Now everyone knows what they’re buying. Thanks for your brilliant suggestion.