• Mambabasa@slrpnk.net
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    2 years ago

    Nuclear is bad. We need to invest in renewables. (Sidenote, phasing out nuclear for fossil energy like what Germany did is worse than nuclear.)

    If you say “well we need more energy to grow,” then I say we should degrow until renewables are sufficient for our needs.

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      2 years ago

      Nuclear is bad. We need to invest in renewables.

      It’s better to explain your reasoning a bit more. If you want expensive electricity prices, choose nuclear. If you want something which will only be built if the government takes all the risk, choose nuclear.

      It’s a bit strange to go for nuclear while ignoring that any energy company will not build it on their own. Only if all the risk and possible cost overruns are on the government.

      Renewables are way cheaper. And there are cheaper solutions to solve volatility of renewables.

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        2 years ago

        For my own country, which seems intent on investing in nuclear energy like with small modular reactors, the plan makes no sense. We don’t have proven uranium or plutonium reserves, much less the capability to mine and refine it. Then there’s how to store nuclear waste indefinitely, even if nuclear disaster is not a problem. Nuclear is just a bad problem all around and it should be left in the past.

        If nuclear fusion energy is solved, I might support it, but only under conditions of communism, otherwise the harvesting the power of the atom would only mean more labor exploitation and valorization under a capitalist mode of production.

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      2 years ago

      if you say “well we need more energy to grow,” then I say we should degrow until renewables are sufficient for our needs.

      Well, that’s their cruel little trick they play. Because, while capitalism is the driving force behind everything, “degrowing” means endless financial suffering for millions, if not billions, because anything but constant growth triggers a cascading effect of shittiness, where big business gets bailed out, people lose money, inflation grows, and “reinvestment”has to begin or people keep starving.

      Capitalism is a death cult, but it’s also like one of those traps you can only go further into, as backing out causes severe damage. You know, like the protectors someone created to insert into a vagina, that have the spikes only facing inward so during a sexual attack, it’s like hotel California?

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          I was agreeing with you. I was saying capitalism makes that as hard as they possibly can because their vampiric system relies on constant growth, and anything but constant growth triggers suffering that the owner class escapes with their golden parachutes and bailouts while heaving the fallout onto us. Their system is flawed, shortsighted, and the further we get, writing history with a capitalist system in place, the deeper we dig ourselves.

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        2 years ago

        Degrowth means suffering for millions, but a better life for billions. The richest 10% of the world are resposible for half the worlds emissions. The world primary energy consumption is 18.2% low carbon. As energy consumption and emissions are linked that means by cutting smartly we can half our global emissions that way. Btw a lot of people in rich countries are not in the global 10% either. Really only the USA and richest European countries have even roughly half their population in the global 10%.

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          Really can’t get behind the “ends justify the means” approach. The ethical amount of intentional human suffering is 0. If a plan to improve the human experience involves involuntary human sacrifice, it’s time to go back to the drawing board.

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            2 years ago

            Suffering in this case means the material life quality of 1960 Switzerland for everybody on earth with significantly fewer hours worked. I am not talking human sacrifice. As for intentional suffering, the fact that the behavior of the rich is unethical.