I use the apps my friends use but it gets tiring to keep up with so many.

  • Dustwin@lemmy.caEnglish
    119·
    9 months ago

    Yeah, there was a nice period when Pidgin could easily handle all the chats. Then providers siloed their apps 🫤

  • ThePJN@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    84·
    9 months ago

    Just never interact with anyone. Christ, it’s not that hard people! (This comment doesn’t count.)

    • Jarix@lemmy.world
      381·
      9 months ago

      Its pretty amazing for voice communication in gaming.

      As a messenging app? Meh

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1010·
        9 months ago

        dude discord has been one of the worst experiences for voip in gaming IME. I started using mumble SOLELY because discord was actually just disappointing. Though tbf maybe if i paid out the ass for nitro it’s better? I ain’t paying for that though.

        Though yeah, for messaging, it’s dogshit, It’s a mess.

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            this is honestly the only good thing about discord, the krisp noise reduction is actually kind of good. It only took them like 3 years to implement it on the linux client. And we’ve only had system wide noise filtering since the dawn of time.

            Although since we’re on the topic, discord manages input/output in the single most inconceivably stupid manner possible.

      • ZoeyBear@beehaw.org
        2·
        9 months ago

        Because it’s the standard for gaming. I use it and would drop it in a heartbeat if it wasn’t standard for every mmo out there.

    • xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      9 months ago

      I really wanted to keep faith in it after the ui overhaul recently - VoIP performance was SO much better on Xbox, latency specifically. But good GOD the mobile app is just a pile of garbage nowdays. I have so many friends stuck on that platform, I still end up sharing links there to Lemmy memes and like 60% of the time when I share to the app it permenantly sticks on the splash screen??? 🙄 notifications are fucked these days too, myself & my friend group regularly miss messages entirely, even with direct @ mentions?!

      Worse, I dropped a crap review and complained that function has dropped horribly since the update and the devs INSTANTLY replied like “Have you tried pretending you’re a beta tester for us? Do you mind doing a buncha troubleshooting you definitely haven’t already done?” (They wanted me to reinstall the app… Smh)

      Anyway - fuck discord. I’m planning to shift to Revolt, but if anyone has better suggestions I’d be happy to try some!

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        im genuinely surprised discord even tries testing things on the two test branches they have. Yes, you heard me correctly, they have TWO separate testing branches. Bugs literally should not exist on the stable branch.

        also when it comes to voip, i’ve enjoyed mumble, it’s pretty solid, minimal, configurable (highly integrated into games already, it’s old af though so maybe not new games) and works pretty well. Revolt seems alright, but it’s plagued with bugs, and weird issues, plus it’s self hosting is just, jank.

        We could use a self hosted discord replacement tbh.

      • toastal@lemmy.ml
        231·
        9 months ago

        The comment implies Signal is peak chat when it’s flawed & other than maybe onboarding, isn’t superior to alternatives—with the phone number being a pro for onboarding is a con for privacy. It still requires you have an Android or iOS primary device (fueling that duopoly). They don’t want you installing it from a safer space like F-Droid. They still by default send notification metadata to Google & Apple (websocket support exists but drains a fair amount of battery & they refuse to support UnifiedPush). They still ship/use Apple emoji on Android & Linux. It’s still a centralized system you can’t self-host. They still have that missing part of the source code (where I would assume the feds planted something). It still isn’t a good space large chats. And the Electron desktop apps are far too bloated.

        • SundryTornAsunder@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          9 months ago

          And the Electron desktop apps are far too bloated.

          No argument. Electron is categorically silly in its own right, lol.

           

          They don’t want you installing it from a safer space like F-Droid.

          F-Droid is by no means safe; use Droidify.

           

          They still by default send notification metadata to Google & Apple (websocket support exists but drains a fair amount of battery & they refuse to support UnifiedPush).

          Easy: use the FOSS version of Molly instead of the default Signal app.

    • flubba86@lemmy.world
      161·
      9 months ago

      Signal is the best, but no way I’m going to be able to get my wife, my friends, my parents and in-laws to use it.

        • CosmicTurtle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          18·
          9 months ago

          Wait, I thought Google wanted Apple to start supporting RCS. So that everyone can talk to each other.

          So Google is just…trying to strong arm apple to give up their proprietary protocol for their own?

          That’s so fucked up.

          • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
            231·
            9 months ago

            RCS is an open standard. However, on Android you can only use it with Google chat. So android stops any other apps from using it. Nothing to stop you making your own phone from scratch and adopting it.

            It’s incredibly stupid, I know.

        • Miss Brainfarts@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          12·
          9 months ago

          Take Signal to Matrix for example. They use different encryption protocols, which means a message sent from one end has to be decrypted, and then re-encrypted with the protocol of the recipient before they can actually receive it.

          So basically, your encryption is not very e2e anymore, and the fact that someone can set this up, effectively giving encryption keys to a third party without their contacts being able to do anything about it is pretty fucked.

          Oh, and different TOS between different services also come into play.

          So if you do this, at least tell your contacts about it, so they can make an informed decision about whether or not that’s okay for them.

              • stegosaur5491@lemm.ee
                71·
                9 months ago

                I bet none of my contacts made an informed decision about which chat app they are using. I don’t think that this really bothers one of them. Most of them do not know, what the difference between Insta-pms and Whatsapp even is, as far as security and privacy are concerned. And from my point of view I don’t know it detailed enough too. Making an informed decision about a closed source software and as a non technical person is not as easy as you may think. At least from my point of view.

  • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
    24·
    9 months ago

    Spoken like a real android user. All my iPhone friends (and especially family) refuse to download any other app, they just complain that I physically can’t download iChat.

    • hector@sh.itjust.works
      15·
      9 months ago

      As an iPhone user, iChat is mid. I think it’s only in the Us that it is widely used.

      Embrace the beauty of Signal now

        • aidan@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 months ago

          I don’t have time to respond to everything, so I’ll just respond to the first one- which is that it’s tankie copium. I don’t deny the Signal Foundation might be taking money from government groups- I believe it is. But looking at the groups its pretty clear what it is, Radio Free Asia, as in the Asia branch of Radio Free Europe. Aka, their goal is to make people living in US adversaries rebel. The US does not censor private communication, it would be very quickly found out if I sent a text to my friend and they couldn’t receive it, or I was sent to jail for the content of that speech.(That’s not to say its not spied on though.) However, in many(most?) US adversaries there is active censorship of opposition communication, the US generally(although not always) supports the opposition by nature of them being the opposition- this is why(if you believe the narrative that everything is a cabal of the powerful) US tech companies supported the Arab Spring. This is why Radio Free Europe broadcast in support of Dubček and the Prague Spring, why they also supported the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. All that is just to say the US can follow the narrative of being 100% power seeking while still supporting open communication platforms. (After all, the US government also either directly created or contributed to SHA-2, Tor, and Ghidra too) And, Signal is open source, read the code and network traffic yourself, they won’t remove encryption for US allies.

          That doesn’t mean they’re immune to criticism, they may be able to explain it, but I personally probably wouldn’t donate to an organization that has the money to pay part time developers $450,000 according to their Form 990, but its not my money so not my place to judge how its spent.

        • LWD@lemm.ee
          0·
          9 months ago

          Kind of ironic considering that with Matrix…

          • Forward secrecy is kinda hosed
          • they store metadata permanently on their servers by design
          • A ton of stuff that would otherwise be invisible and signal is visible in your Matrix homeserver, including permanent history of all group membership
          • Your data does not belong to you, and that’s how the server is built to treat it, e.g.
          • GDPR deletion is nonexistent (it won’t delete your username or your messages, making it less effective than on Discord, let alone Signal)

          … Etc.

          Ironically, older federated messaging systems like XMPP might be better by coincidence. Message archiving was an optional addition and some servers, such as the popular Riseup one, do not implement it.

          • JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one
            0·
            9 months ago

            Yeah, fair. It can’t delete your messages to the extent a centralized system, and that’s an indication of the lack of centralized control? It’s a different threat model I think many find satisfying (though perhaps not most).

    • toastal@lemmy.ml
      6·
      9 months ago

      Libpurple had constant breakage due to proprietary apps having no incentive to keep their protocols stable. A lot of it worked easier then since no one was using e2ee either. Newer gateways exist in the space but it’s a real shame since for a brief time the earlier 2010s, most chat applications were using the same protocol—until they realized it’s harder to capture profits when the garden walls are lowered.

    • deathbird@mander.xyz
      2·
      9 months ago

      I miss pidgin so much. I tried to use it the other day with Discord and it was terrible. So God-awful.

  • myusernameis@lemmy.ca
    18·
    9 months ago

    Random hot take, I’m at least grateful that my wife and I use an app that none of our friends use. Removes the “oh shit did I send that to the wrong person” panic.

  • JIMMERZ@lemm.eeEnglish
    17·
    9 months ago

    I have a friend that will only chat with me on Instagram. I have his number, but he will never respond to text. He only engages in insta, it’s mildly infuriating.

  • 1ostA5tro6yne@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    13·
    9 months ago

    if you won’t talk to me except through insta then you’re not worth being friends with just fucking text me like a normal ass human.