This would be international outrage if a palestinian said this about Israelis
So basically he said the same exact thing Hamas says about Jews?
The difference is that Israel is considered an occupying power and has responsibilities under international law as such.
“The difference” is that Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs. Zionism as we know it primary exists because of widespread genocidal attitudes towards Jews.
I’m not defending Israel’s heavy hand here by any means. I am just tired of everyone on the internet feeling free to just ignore all the historical context wrapped up in this conflict.
“The difference” is that Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs.
Sure, it’s not what they say they are doing, but genocide is literally what they are doing.
Why does it matter what they say when it does not mirror their actions?
Don’t forget a song recently praising genocide hit #1 on the charts
Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs.
The UN has found credible evidence to the contrary
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/7/un-report-finds-israeli-occupation-root-cause-of-conflict
Zionism was from the very beginning a settler colonial enterprise. Yes genocidal attitudes towards Jews may have been used to promote the idea, but the end goal was always possession of land.
In its initial stage, Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country? The owners of the country [the Turks] must, therefore, be persuaded and convinced that this marriage is advantageous, not only for the [Jewish] people and for the country, but also for themselves.
https://digitalprojects.palestine-studies.org/resources/special-focus/zionist-settler-colonialism
Abhorrent.
They want the land. Not the people.
“But if you call it a genocide you’re an antisemite.”
-AIPAC
This is nothing new. Israel doing has been doing this for decades.
It’s basically the same as what Hamas has been saying forever. Basically both sides want eachother wiped out.
Same thing they did to the Canaanites. They haven’t changed their MO since The Bronze Age Collapse.
Which is fun because under further review it turns out that the Hebrews were Canaanites themselves. They genocided their own neighbors.
They genocided their own neighbors.
That’s pretty much how everyone acted in the bronze age tho…
Sure but we didnt need to build an international religion out if it which should have disappeared at least 200 years ago
I really do want to get into this conversation with you because I can already tell your understanding of religion and history comes from sassy youtubers but I know from experience it never really goes anywhere because people like you can’t confront the fact that your worldview is tainted by irrational bigotry.
But I’ll leave you with this nugget: Organized religion is the only reason we were able to transition from small nomadic tribes to densely populated cities and literally kickstarted the historic era. For the VAST majority of written history religion and governance were basically the same thing.
I sure do get tired of motherfuckers insulting us for not accepting that bronze age bullshit. Religion killed 1/3 of Europe with one decree alone during the Black Plague. Imagine how much faster civilization would have advanced without a bunch of psychotic delusional retards running around yelling KILL ALL THE INFIDELS!!! Religion literally kept people from washing their hands or learning to read. Everything you claimed was a positive was in fact the opposite… the civilization that happened was in SPITE of religion when it wasnt seriously hindered and delayed by religion. It doesnt take any YouTube bullshit to know this.
Thank you for proving my ‘sassy youtubers’ assesment of your knowledge on history.
Religion literally kept people from washing their hands
See? That’s what I mean.
I understand why you said that because you took an oversimplification as an absolute, but there is medical history of people including doctors not washing their fucking hands for surgeries because science is a lie and God would decide who lives and dies.
😂
“they”
totally the same peopleIsraelites enforcing the word of EL? The Canaanite God of War? Yep. Same exact philosophy that has been handed down since The Bronze Age Collapse. Their blood may, or may not, be different. Their ideology is exactly the same. Genocide of their cousins.
Just accept that Israelite “history” from Exodus on is mythology, as in the authors lied, which was common at the time, and you’ll see how these ideas are exactly the same, as are the people espousing such hatred for their fellow humans.
I think this is basically antisemitism. It has to be pretty blatant for me to play that card, but come on man.
Anti-Semitic? Nah. The Palestinians are a semitic people.
Anti-intentional-ignorance, yeah. I don’t care when your fantasy book was written, if you’re going to put “holy books,” aka the fictional ravings of people that wanted to control others, ahead of science and history, then I have no time for you, other than to put a bullet in your head so that you stop harming the rest of the world.
me no rikee
This is what one guy said. It is not representative, as a lone data point, of all Jews, all Israelis, or the Israeli government. If you have more data points, feel free to share them, but this one Rabbi’s statement doesn’t prove any generalisation.
Serious question - where would we see signs of broad Israeli opposition to the genocide? I know Netanyahu is unpopular, but I don’t think the genocide is a major factor in that unpopularity.
Unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll find that as much anymore. One of understated but equally awful side effects of Hamas’ very successful pogrom is, in targeting who it did among the Israeli population, it pushed a lot of Israeli society currently in Israel hard right even beyond standard rally around the flag effects. The Israeli left and peace activist movement effectively died last year.
Whenever some Christians are engaging in hate, they avoid people condemning the whole religion thanks to Jesus’s very anti-hate teachings. Judaism doesnt have that. All of the Old Testament’s calls for violence against enemies stand without revision, and no sin is forgiven without sacrifice.
Yea, Judaism has no such thing as a deep and extensive set of rabbinical discourses that are as fundamental as the Torah. Really solid and thoughtful observation.
With like 50 pages arguing about how much a woman is worth based on the state of the hymen. No one ever likes to mention what the Talmud has to say on the subject.
Care to share with the people at home the argument about why the Talmud says you can’t marry on a Friday and the counter argument and the counter counter argument?
Why? What in the world does your arbitrary cherry picked items have to do with the topic at hand? Are you trying to say that that is the entirety of talmudic discourse and that concepts of charity, stewardship, kindness, and growth are nowhere explored in the Talmud? I’m not saying there aren’t many troubling aspects to Jewish liturgical Tesoro tradition. What I am saying is that they’re about in par with any religion and shit like the OP posted is pretty fucking ignorant and dumb.
Care to share with the people at home the argument about why the Talmud says you can’t marry on a Friday and the counter argument and the counter counter argument?
This is a Lemmy sir, we don’t read religious books we just repeat what other people say about them
Yeah they have a fair history becoming the thing they fought against.
How do you mean?
Judges 19 to 21, where after the rape and death of a single person, many thousands are killed, and hundreds more are raped in response.
This is a Jewish Israeli extremist. Dont judge all of us based on this abhorrent example.
This is a Jewish Israeli extremist.
… who teaches at a yeshiva that gets its funding from the Israeli government… guess he’s not so extreme he can’t get government funding. Embarrassing. Even in the relatively thoughtless USA we would cancel that sponsorship in a second.
Israeli democracy often resembles more of a Jewish “theocracy” I say that as a former Israeli voter. There is a huge coalition of religious politicians that work together to keep money flowing to the orthodox haredi voters whonare invaluable to them.
Do Israeli institutions not have mechanisms to dismiss officials who vocalize rhetoric like this?
Sure they do, but do they want to is the real question.
Actually those yeshivas to get funding from Israeli government are more likely to be extremist.
He is not just an extremist but also an Idiot.
Killing everyone in Gaza is just dumb because there are also several 10.000 Israeli soldiers in Gaza.
But meh… we already learned that extremism breads brain rot. Hamas is proof of it.
Crass
I’ll judge Israelis on the actions and words of their representatives and armes forces.
Doesn’t seem that much different to this extremist.
Majority held views among the population are in support of Gazan genocide and withholding all food from entering Gaza. The settler society at all levels understands its interests demand genocide.
Exactly my point, this extremist does speak for the majority.
It’d be like asking Hamas the same question, clearly we shouldn’t judge the Palestinian innocents on Hamas’ views, nor should we judge Israel on this guys views
Don’t worry, we’re judging you (Israel) by your actions, which… checks notes… are in full alignment
No judgement to you all from me. War is a conductive environment for extremism. War is hell, after all.
They are turning into Nazis arent they? And i thought iron sky was far fetched. Instead, the Nazis have just infested the Jews!
Always been.
There were (and are) many Holocaust survivors which refused to go to Palestine to kill people and steal their land. And actively speak out against israel
There no hate speech laws this breaks? He’s literally calling for violence on a group of people.
Israeli laws outlaws hate speech and “expressing support for illegal or terrorist organizations”.[9] Section 173 of the legal code makes it a crime to publish any “publication that is liable to crudely offend the religious faith or sentiment of others.”[29]
According to Wikipedia. The problem, of course, is that it won’t be enforced as long as hate speech is directed against specific groups of people.
…or spoken by other specific groups of people.
The last us president advocated for nuking people. I don’t think nukes can selectively avoid babies. Surely that guys worse than even this disgusting rabbi. Unless you think we make the rabbi president?
Sometimes bad is just that. No need to classify as worse or better. Its just bad.
Just saying. There are millions of psychos in this world, why focus in on this one?
This one is backed by Netanyahu though, even though he has been controversial for a long time
Know who else Netanyahu backs…
If it came from an arab or muslim religious figure, western media mainstream media wouldn’t shut up about it for weeks. but an Israeli figure calling for extermination of an entire ethnic group passes under their radar and keep giving moral and legal ammunition to Israel to carry on its genocide in Gaza.
Really? Because searching with the roles reversed I definitely see similar statements had been made but only see coverage by ideologically aligned sites:
https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-787452
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egyptian-minister-quotes-koran-verse-on-killing-jews/
https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/California-Imam-calls-on-Allah-to-annihilate-Jews-500676.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kill-all-jews-urges-hamas-tv-host/
The only mainstream sources along a similar thread were within days of the Oct 7th attack:
So it just looks more like the mainstream press isn’t interested in reporting what religious zealots say outside of very narrow windows of relevance to major recent news stories (and even then rather sparingly).
That’s a lot of very outdated and out of context links you put there.
Also some there interpret anti semitism very liberally.
Yeah, that’s not true coverage of the topic… give me a break.
Did you read any of his links? Quote me the part where people say something anti-semitic.
In a July 21 lecture posted on the Davis Masjid YouTube channel, Muslim preacher Ammar Shahin spoke in English and Arabic about how all Muslims, not only Palestinians or Syrians, will be called upon to kill all the Jews on “the last day.”
In a video translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), Shahin also stressed that the Hadith (oral tradition of sayings attributed to the prophet of Islam) does not say where the final battle will take place. “If it is in Palestine,” for example, “or another place,” hinting at the possibility that such a battle could happen in the United States or Europe as well.
He also prayed that al-Aksa mosque be liberated from “the filth of the Jews.”
From this link: https://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/California-Imam-calls-on-Allah-to-annihilate-Jews-500676
In a clip of the kids’ TV show “The Pioneers of Tomorrow,” broadcast on May 2 and uploaded Thursday by the MEMRI media watchdog, the host of the program, a young girl in a hijab, interviews two very young children, one of whom says she hopes to be a police officer like her uncle Ahmad.
The host asks what policemen do, and, after establishing that they catch criminals, adds that “they shoot Jews, right?” and stresses to her young guest that “you want to be like him.”
“I will shoot the Jews!” the little child says.
“All of them?” the host asks.
“Yes,” the girl says
“Good,” the host answers.
In a previous segment, a co-host of the show, an anthropomorphic bee character, talks on the phone with a child in the West Bank Jenin refugee camp, and encourages him, if Jews come into the camp, to “punch them” and “turn their faces into tomatoes in order to liberate Palestine.”
Yeah, nothing antisemitic here.
LOL that’s what I’m talking about… I can see the reply already “that’s not true anti-semitism…”
Were there people that call themselves “Jews” attacking the Al Aqsa mosque and violently shooting Muslims one year ago? Do you think he is referring to that? Or is he calling to Genocide all Jewish children there?
Were there people that call themselves “Jews” attacking the Al Aqsa mosque and violently shooting Muslims one year ago? Do you think he is referring to that?
Considering the first article is from 2017 and the second from 2014, no I don’t think either are referring to the Al Aswa mosque violence in 2023.
If they were, that would be really surprising.
You are so caught up in your agenda that you aren’t even thinking though what you are saying.
Would it make more sense to discuss a pattern of behavior in the media by linking to multiple examples over an extended period of time or to only show examples within a narrow period of time?
Also some there interpret anti semitism very liberally.
In this case, people call literally tell from the URLs in the comment that your sealioning on this particular point is BS.
Except your examples are not examples of anti-Semitism. As everyone knows now Zionists call every criticism of israel anti-semitic.
Take Ryna Workman, the president of the NYU Law Student Bar Association who sent a message to “y’all” expressing “my unwavering and absolute solidarity with Palestinians in their resistance against oppression toward liberation and self-determination. Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life. . … I will not condemn Palestinian resistance.”
Did this man say “I want to kill all the Jews” according to you?
You have a weird hangup here dude. You aren’t at all engaging with my comment about media coverage, but are instead pulling a random excerpt from the opinion piece a few days after the Oct 7th attack to discuss…what?
The opinion piece doesn’t even call that ‘antisemitism.’ You cut off the lines immediately before it, which makes no claim in line with what you allude:
The Harvard students hardly stand alone in their abhorrent willingness to cast Hamas as freedom fighters rather than bloodthirsty terrorists. Equally offensive statements blaming Israel and effectively applauding Hamas abound at other universities and colleges too numerous to list. Take Ryna Workman, the president of the NYU Law Student Bar Association…
The author of that opinion piece is entirely entitled to the opinion that victim blaming terrorist attacks on civilians is offensive to them, just as there’s plenty of opinion pieces to the other direction that denying human rights violations is offensive to a lot of other people. That’s kind of the point of opinion pieces - to express an opinion.
But the brunt of the examples I provided in the main part of my comment (the many examples of religious leaders calling for the ethnic killing of the people they don’t like) were completely in line with the OP article.
The last two were simply included as examples of how little the mainstream press covers “these people call for genocide” claims from any side except when relevant to recent news - and to that point one of the only two mainstream pieces was an opinion piece.
You’re basically making my central point in citing the Newsweek opinion piece’s shortcomings - that contrary to the theory of the person I replied to, there’s little to no coverage of religious figure calls for violence outside of limited sets of articles with clear agendas.
You pasted random Hasbara from internet that you didn’t read and called criticism of israel anti-Semitic. If anyone is pushing an agenda it’s you.
Not condemning Hamas equals calling for the genocide of all Jews?
Joke articles.
You pasted random Hasbara from internet that you didn’t read and called criticism of israel anti-Semitic.
Citation needed, as it appears we’re just making up straw men now. In this comment thread, I literally didn’t even write the word ‘antisemitism’ outside of quoting your use of it.
